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why is it okay that fizz is consistently the best S+ midlaner for 4 months and nobody gives a sh1t

Hecarim Himmler··5 votes·1,549 views

been good A-S tier with consistent playrate since half a year ago, started ramping up since summer and stayed at the top wtih talon ever since. will this champion never see nerfs due to nonexistent proplay presence despite being a clear skill enhancer in a soloqueue environment? the problem becomes more clear when you consider that much like fiora, ekko and shaco, you have to consistently be a better player overall to beat them in a 1v1 or macro-wise. now they teamfight better than you, they have an invulnerability, they have great mobility and can erase you in an instant if ahead or even going even because fizz's items are so damn gold efficient, if they take a bad trade they can q or e over a wall and try again later, escape ganks with abilities that rely on them being lamebrained to outplay rather than having the good sense to feign something since often times it wont matter. not to mention that in the case of fiora and fizz that invulnerability is used for damage. fizz e bursts botlaners like a cum bubble and they cant really survive a roam if fizz won his lane early, fiora's riposte functions also as a slow when unactivated and a stun when parried, often times fiora players use the riposte to slow you, then beat the shit out of you with their superior base stats.

I might just be rambling but it kind of sucks being out-championed when I play senna and other enchanter supports having some 3/0 fizz with protobelt, dark seal and a stopwatch casually 1v2 our jhin senna botlane keeping us from doing much for the rest of the game.

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WoonStruck6 votes

Because Kass, Kat, Ahri, etc all have similar pick rates and winrates.

Why are you targeting Fizz specifically?

He's done the same thing for like 3+ years. He's not even THAT popular, really.

2Charmnot2Charm2 votes

Fizz actually has a decent pick rate.

Not that i need him to be popular to justify perma banning him the moment he got buffed.

Hecarim Himmler1 votes

Im not exactly targetting only fizz, i also talked briefly about other lanes.

On the subject of those specific champs however, kass gets countered by talon(who is great rn) and other midlane AD assasins, with a gradual return of lane lucian I’m not too concerned about kass even though he can be a pain.

Katarina is dogshit i agree.

As for ahri I’d say a fed ahri is easier to deal with when compared to a fed fizz.

Ahri has her dashes but CC still travels to her and will hit her allowing for a window of opportunity. Fizz can e and everything that happens during it is ignored and forgiven. Not to mention his innate ability to dive people through his e’s trait allowing him to drop aggro

Fizz also rushes CDR AP items, while being the most cost efficient items also make him chunkier. Protobelt and seekers armguard make him beyond annoying to deal with and his survivability is boosted way up. The argument that he is not too good in lane can be countered with the fact that he shoves with protobelt and roams for kills like talon anyways.

Anime Fizz1 votes

Wtf u talking about?

Fizz is gabage tier, literally only even a champion in low elo.

He has too much counterplay which makes him basically a minion tier pick in high elo.

WoonStruck3 votes

Fizz maintains basically a 53% winrate from bronze to diamond. 50% master, 51% grandmaster, 61% challenger.

What fantasy world are you living in?

He's more popular at lower elos, yes, but he's just as effective at higher elos for the most part.

Anime Fizz1 votes

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Fizz maintains basically a 53% winrate from bronze to diamond. 50% master, 51% grandmaster, 61% challenger.

What fantasy world are you living in?

He's more popular at lower elos, yes, but he's just as effective at higher elos for the most part.

Nobody plays him in high elo other than 1 tricks, which is why they can win games.

That doesnt make him a good champion, why in the world would you play fizz mid when qiyana, ryze, cassio, and tons of other SS tier champs exists (not only he hard loses early game to those but they also massively outscale him)? Fizz is only good against champs like syndra who arent even played mid anymore.

Hecarim Himmler2 votes

Exactly, in every argument there will be people who main the champion trying to muddy the waters and claim that their champion isnt blatantly outperforming other options. Go to U.gg, Op.gg any stat website and sort by winrate playrate mid and fizz will be right there. And he has been there for 4 months.

Even the onetrick argument is a fallacy since only other broken champions hold a winrate as high as 61% when onetricked.

Death by Glamour1 votes

Talon and ahri were top tier picks most of season 9, no one cared.

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