can we nerf lee sin now

Hecarim Himmler·Feb 24, 2020·1 votes·1,944 views

im getting sick of this champ winning duels even while slightly behind from outliving you with w+conq lifesteal in conjunction with his base stats that fall off less than something like olaf, sick of being half healthed by his R.

worlds has been over for months and this champ is still on his buffs.

what really is the point of riot removing statstick champs when a "skill based" skillshot oriented champ like lee can just miss everything and e+e to slow and w+w auto you to death or force a flash early

4 Comments

GriseldauJtKtFeb 24, 20202 votes

No he's an assassin and not allowed to be nerfed ever.

IukiboyFeb 24, 20202 votes

Wait until next patch when ravenous got buffed :)

PhearBunnyFeb 24, 20201 votes

i dont really think he's overpowered. He's just reliable. In the sense that he is one of the only junglers who are mechanical and mobile enough to not require laners to setup ganks, and is easily able to counter jungle. Most junglers are dependent on laners having priority or just outright winning their lane, whereas Lee and Elise are able to take the reigns of their own jungle experience. However they arent as strong as other junglers are when those junglers are on teams that have players who understand how to set up ganks, understand jungle routes, and understand lane control. BUT as we all know, most laners just play on autopilot. Theyre good at micromanaging their champion but they have little understanding of macroplay and virtually zero understanding of jungle macroplay, so they generally arent going to be setting their jungler up to succeed, but rather to fail. Which is why Lee and Elise are such prominent picks, because junglers CANT reliably depend on their laners to understand the game outside of their 1v1/2v2 microplay lane expereince.

Hecarim HimmlerFeb 26, 20201 votes

so what that implies is that lee is an overloaded champ. he can pull off the gank all by himself and often times he can come in the lane, 1v1 kill the enemy laner and leave without his own teammate even participating

im not going to disagree he has potential to be self sufficient to the point where laner macro can be ignored, because thats precisely the problem. he can take 40-60% of a laner's healthbar if he hits q, he has so much mobility and has very forgiving gameplay in terms of dueling given you have some idea of what you're doing and that needs to be tweaked. the fact that he is a jungler that can threaten a 1v1 win against laners well into the midgame is not unique to lee, but he really just seems overwhelming to me.