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Control Mages: Pick one

Anahata··4 votes·5,461 views

This is more of a gameplay thread than balance. So, I've been a zed main for quite a long time now and I've gotten to the point where I can win lane pretty easily (granted, I'm only bronze 1) but later in the game it becomes more difficult to hard carry because, choosing Zed I'm almost always in an all ad comp so tanks can just straight stack armor and destroy me and my team.

That brings me to my point about control mages. Also lately, Viktor, Ori, and Azir have all been picked up both in solo q (Ori always tbh) and LCS/pro scene. And although I'm a Zed main, I'm not completely versed in the details about these control mages. I'm the kind of person to choose one and practice the hell out of it until I'm really skilled on that one champion, so skill caps aside, can anyone help me choose a mid lane control Mage out of the following: Azir, Orianna, Viktor by telling me their strengths and weaknesses, and perhaps what each one excels at that the other two don't have? Thanks in advance!!

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WalkingInACircle6 votes

Viktor: Has the highest burst damage of the three, can land it pretty reliably. He's good throughout the game, but very squishy and immobile. His CC is delayed, and he has the shortest range. Epitome of a glass cannon mage.

Orianna: Strong laning phase, lowest damage output, pretty reliant on her ult to be relevant. She's the one whose most reliant on teammates as well. Orianna is pretty surviveable though, and a well placed ult wins games.

Azir: Best overall damage output, longest range, mobile, wall of doom. Has a very high skillcap and desperately wants allies who will play around him. Lack of burst effects. Prone to nerfs because he's overbearing in competitive play.

Bârd4 votes

Balls? Beams? Birds?

Breh.

Raise your donger

Push the lane, zone off teams, punish missteps, and capture objectives.

That is the playstyle of the Dong.

Anahata1 votes

Best presentation award ^^^

Sasogwa2 votes

# Be different Veigar

But since my post is completely useless, I'll maybe try to stay in the subject

Viktor is like, a burst champion with very low cooldowns, that's his strength. He's not as much a control mage as the others, more damage-oriented. Orianna is very obviously combo-oriented, she can single-handedly win a teamfight just with schockwave, but can zone out people with the ball. She does not slow that much, but she can be a mini-Lulu with her shield+ speed up, and can also slow (damn I feel I'm being too much captain obvious) Azir is the control mage by excellence. His ult is also excellent to peel for the backline. His dps is really strong too.

YossarianSensei3 votes

Lol Veigar is like the most meta-sheep mid right now probably

Sasogwa1 votes

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Lol Veigar is like the most meta-sheep mid right now probably

Goddamn Froggen and Incarnation

YossarianSensei2 votes

Orianna is your safest bet, she's been a strong pick every season, and her kit is so solid that she won't be hurt by a few numbers adjustments if Riot decides to nerf her, she'll always have good scaling because of her short CDs and great utility.

Azir is strong if you're good at him, but he's probably the most likely to get nerf hammered considering his patch history and his current state.

Viktor is boring AF in my experience. His entire kit is you mash a few buttons and people die. He's highly susceptible to being nerfed to trash tier through just a few minor number adjustments because the only thing he really has going for him is facemelting burst.

Chespin20132 votes

Azir great waveclear, provides constant dps in fights with his soldiers, can destroy towers fast enough and make his own, Ult is great at making picks and changing the flow of a teamfight, one of the best lategame scaling mage, great zoning with his soldiers dps especially with nashors and rylais make his soldiers really annoying to deal with. Cons to him are very hard to play you need really good mechanics to be good at Azir, relies on soldiers for dps, not enough burst damage like a lot of other mages, has a history of getting nerfed tho while still being frequently used in competitive tho soloq is far different compared to competitive.

Orianna has good waveclear aswell, can shield herself and allies, her ultimate can practically win a teamfights if you land the ball in the right place especially if you land your ball on you main engager like say a malphite with a ori ball on him than he can just ult and ori right after,her passive is pretty nice for csing, great zoning with her ball. Cons would be her ball can sometimes be easy to predict where its going, need to keep track of your ball in fights since its your main tool of damage not much else I know about her since I don't play her but that's what ori has.

Viktor has great waveclear get your hexcore upgrade to your and just clear the wave, great burst damage. Good zoning with his laser, W , and his ultimate, seriously people underestimate his W a lot. Great lategame scaling mage that is still good at other parts of the game, flexible item path even tho has 2 spaces filled by his boots and his hexcore just give him a rabas and void staff and just fill in what you would like. Cons for Viktor would be he is gold reliant needs his hexcore to help him scale tho they are 1k gold but still, can only build really 4 items not counting boots and hexcore, no real mobility and his gravity field can be easy to maneuver around at times, E can be a pain in the ass at first aim to but with practice it gets easier, No real way of defending himself besides his W, only form of waveclear is his E so once its done that can be your moment to poke him down.

Hayaishi22 votes

Orianna is the best mage if you can play her effectively.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

my main mage is Lissandra she brings plenty of CC to the fight and has decent damage plus wave clear and she has a passive that lets her cast a free spell and she has a better version of item 3157 as her ult

RisenDarkKnight1 votes

Oriana is the best teamfighter, and can shield carries. Her ult is great for wombo combos. Her main weakness is all her moves are telegraphed. You can see her ball and avoid it. Her shockwave has a substantial casting animation that you can flash/ult/shadow out of. That said her e gives her a large shield, and some armor making her somewhat resistant to assination. Viktor does the most burst damage of the three. If farmed, he can instantly kill your adc with his combo (or you if he lands all his skillshots). He has great waveclear/pushing power, but he is the least safe of the three mids. He has no dash, and his stun is very easy to avoid.
Azir has the most poke, he can push melee champions out of lane without using much mana. He also has the highest dps. However, his main defensive tool, his ult, does not block zed's shadows, so this should not be a hard matchup. Azir also needs 2 items to actually do burst damage, so this should be a very easy matchup if you can avoid getting poked out eary game and farm with shruikens. Then when you are ready to go all in he stands no chance (unless he has at least zhonyas and nashors). His dash does mean he can get away if he's good though. Edit: I forgot you were trying to play one not against them my bad. I would recomend oriana. Azir has been nerfed a lot and is hard to play and therefore he has a low winrate outside of very high elos. Viktor is a solid choice, but oriana is safer to blind pick and has more tools to help her team with her speedboost/slow, shield, and the cc of her ult. She also has great lategame dps since her autos have an ap ratio and the cooldown of her q is only 1.8 seconds with max cdr. If you have an engage champion on your team like malphite, she makes the teamfight super easy since you just put the ball on him, r w after he ults, q then move the ball back to shield one of your carries and keep casting q as you move.

Anahata1 votes

So, I feel I'm at a crossroads now between Azir and Ori. On one hand, Azir seems to have more DPS than Ori since late game his soldiers AS is pretty high plus he can reposition and spawn them really quickly, but I just don't want to get him, practice him, and have him become needed to the ground. On the other hand, Ori seems to be really reliant on another member of her team if not her entire team to both engage well and (literally) ad carry well enough to put the shield to good use. I'm probably going to pick up Ori after all though; no champ's perfect. But are there any other ap mids you'd suggest, not necessarily control mages. I own almost all of them (I even own Azir just never play him) but don't play the others either.

RisenDarkKnight1 votes

Feel free to go with azir if you like him more, but he requires a lot of practice to actually be good with, and has a low winrate in silver/gold. Ori is not necessarily team reliant, as you can ult well with good ball positioning without allies, and can just shield yourself if you want to. She does have less dps than azir though, and works best with coordinated allies. For ap mids I would recommend veigar, lux, ahri and swain. Veigar and lux were buffed recently and are really strong. Veigar has ridiculous burst and dps if you farm up his q, and great zone control. Lux has a powerful shield, great range, and the ability to easily kite juggernauts. Ahri has been conistently high winrate for a long time now. She is a very safe pick with great mobiltiy. Her charm is strong cc, and she can kite while doing damage very effectively as well as dive the enemy carry. She can wreck immobile champions in lane as well. She does have fairly low damge though, she relies on her survivability to get off multiple rotations of spells to kill people. Swain is my personal pocket pick, he suffers from terrible early waveclear and short range but makes up for it with ridiculous regen on his ult and tons of teamfight survivability once he has zhonyas. Swain is a great counter to ahri and yasou but is weak to viktor. You pretty much always get pushed under tower pre 6 and miss a lot of cs (he's bad at farming), but you have great teamfight impact and can duel well if you don't get kited.

Anahata1 votes

I'm probably gonna go with Ori. I've generally been not that good at cs'ing with ap champs, so her passive helps out there. Plus I like the cc she brings and low CDs. However, I have played her before and is it just me or does she have pretty high mana costs early? Perhaps I wasn't using her correctly or just spamming spells, but I went oom real quick. And I'm no stranger to Swain, every time I see him it makes me cringe because I know it will be a tough game especially if he gets ahead. What do you think about Vlad tho as opposed to Swain?

RisenDarkKnight1 votes

Her q mana cost is low, but her w is really high. You want to get an early mana regen item for sure. (I go athenes first item almost every game). The q, which you max first, only costs a flat 50 mana so you can stay pretty high on mana if you're not getting pressured. But if you need to w or shield a lot you run oom quickly hence why most ori builds inlcude either athenes or tear and morrelonomicon. She is really easy to cs with (3 of the top 4 lcs games with highest cs at 20 were oriana). Personally I dont' like vlad, because his early game is really weak and he has no cc. A lot of his power comes from the damage amp on his ult which relies on your teammates follow up. He is a good champ, but IMO he's better top since he has more favorable matchups against melee champs than he does against mids who can cc him so he can't pool then burst him. But I'm biased since I play a lot of swain and not nearly as much vlad.

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

Azir is the strongest but hardest to master

SSJTribe1 votes

I feel like Velkoz is one of the best, thanks to his true damage and all AoE skills it can be pretty easy to carry games when you're fed. And like Zed, you win lane as soon as you hit level 6 most of the time. This guy carried me from bronze 4 at the start of the season to Gold. My favorite build: Velkoz item 3070 item 3027 item 3020 item 3003 item 3151 item 3089 item 3135

Anahata3 votes

Yea I've heard tentacles is like sleeper op atm and he's barely been touched since release, I believe. Idk but he just doesn't seem like my play style though. I suppose I'll give him a shot

pooppoop31 votes

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Vesarixx2 votes

and once you hit level 16, you just win the game

fukimissHarambe1 votes

Oriana: Probably the most reliable pick, ori is seldom nerfed and IMO in a good place so you don't have to worry about your champ getting gutted. Has decent zoning, good burst, lategame and wombo combo / teamfight potential with her ultimate

Azir: Was a lot better before they nerfed him, has the best zoning out of them with ultimate, Highest sustained damage out of them. Probably the safest with best mobility but scales slightly worse than oriana if you are just farming

Viktor: Probably has the most 'control' out of all of them , can full clear backline really early. Very high burst but can't fall behind in late without taking a large penalty in damage. Worst zoning but still very good with W

Vesarixx1 votes

I'd recommend Karthus his Q and E late game deal crazy amounts of damage, and he's guaranteed to get a few off in a team fight with his passive, plus at your Elo a lot of people will QQ because of his ult, so you have the psychological factor

take summoner 4 summoner 12 for lane, play safe and focus on farm as your goal is to get to late game with a lot of items, use TP to get back to lane for farm after dieing or backing for an item. build item 3040 item 3027 item 3020 and some AP items item 3089 item 3116 item 3151 item 3157 item 3135 are all good items, as for defence, you can get away in most situations with not even building a defensive item.

He can also jungle if you know how to clear on him.

Anahata1 votes

I do think he's a really good late game carry, but I feel he's too immobile, like Viktor, and he's super prone to assassins. Being a zed main, anytime I see a karthus mid it's basically a free lane... except when he ults my low teammates...

Anahata1 votes

and surprisingly, people in bronze 1, or at least in my experience, rarely surrender. most times there might be one person, maybe 2, on the losing team that feels demoralized or even flanes/feeds/afk but for the most part they just keep on playing. But I did have this zilean the other day that flamed his vayne ad, fed, then left like 20 minutes in. it wasn't a pleasant experience

Vesarixx1 votes

I think the reason it seems like a free lane is people at that level tend to try to fight you no matter what they are playing and they don't respect zones, if you learn to play safe and farm up pretty much ignoring the enemy until you get your items you will do a lot more with Karthus.

LankPants1 votes

If you plan to spam the living hell out of one of them I'd say Azir. An Azir who plays above his level can take over games easily.

Anahata1 votes

Hmmm, that makes me rethink my choice. In that case I guess I will practice Azir.

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