How can Bloodmoon even be called an assasin game mode?

Thomas500·Feb 11, 2018·30 votes·2,950 views

So after looking through the champs that could be played in a game mode that says "Choose your favorite assassin and hunt your way to victory in this featured game mode", I realized its more like Riot just picked whoever they wanted. Out of 20 available champions, 8 of them aren't even assassins ( Ahri, Camille, Diana, Elise, Kennen, Lee sin, Pantheon, Yasuo), and 3 that are assassins ( Yi, Nidalee, Nocturne) aren't even included. How can you label it an assassin game mode when almost half the champs you have in it aren't even assassins?!?!

107 Comments

Chembaron YamadaFeb 11, 201824 votes

Back when they created the game mode, they stated that the game mode will include assassins, some skirmishers and aggressive divers. This covers almost all the champions in the game mode.

And some champions are not included, since they would most likely be broken in that game mode. Nocturne with his vision denial and high range engage for example. Or Master Yi, who can survive alot of burst with his meditation and there are quite some champions in the game mode lacking the hard CC to deal with it.

SangreDeNocheFeb 11, 20184 votes

{quoted} Nocturne with his vision denial and high range engage for example.

Because there's NOTHING like that in this mode [slayer-jinx-wink]

SteelflameFeb 11, 20187 votes

The bigger issue they had with Nocturne is the game mode's innate ultimate CDR buff. This means he spams it far more than normal, and it gets fairly irritating when he can just see any fight pop up and press R to screw over the enemy team. He doesn't even need to ult TO anybody, just pressing R can be a kill or two secured for his team. Considering he can have up to 76.6% effective CDR on his ult... it pretty much means if he is alive, he can press R if any fight breaks out and screw the enemy team's ability to react to anything up. His ult can literally have a 23 second cooldown in that mode. You really wanna deal with that? He can literally keep his ult up 17% of the time.

RocketRelmFeb 11, 20182 votes

I don't even think it's fully about the tactical benefit, the sheer anti-fun value of one (or both) teams constantly losing minimap access every 30 seconds almost literally at random has to suck.

koshkyraFeb 11, 20183 votes

cough 2k damage rengar leap from a full screen away cough

SteelflameFeb 12, 20181 votes

Honestly, the thing I dislike about Rengar isn't his ult stealth into damage, but the fact that his ult reveals stealthed targets even if stealthed via the Bloodmoon buff. Combo with the absolutely massive uptime and the fact that a SMART one won't necessarily jump on you, just keep you revealed for his team so they can rape you, and... well... yea.

Like he flat out counters what the mode should be about, and because of the blood hunt icon that shows up, he has a very clear tell to go "oh, I should ult now to reveal a stealthed guy."

ŚhunpoFeb 11, 20181 votes

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Back when they created the game mode, they stated that the game mode will include assassins, some skirmishers and aggressive divers. This covers almost all the champions in the game mode.

And some champions are not included, since they would most likely be broken in that game mode. Nocturne with his vision denial and high range engage for example. Or Master Yi, who can survive alot of burst with his meditation and there are quite some champions in the game mode lacking the hard CC to deal with it.

Ok, so why are champions like Nocturne not allowed?

Chembaron YamadaFeb 11, 201813 votes

Look further down at Steelflames comment, he explained it pretty well. Nocturne would be a nightmare in that game mode.

ŚhunpoFeb 11, 20187 votes

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Look further down at Steelflames comment, he explained it pretty well. Nocturne would be a nightmare in that game mode.

I mean....Camille's been a nightmare in Blood Moon ever since they allowed her in so idk why Noc is such a big deal (besides maybe his spellshield).

Chembaron YamadaFeb 11, 201813 votes

Camille messes you up if she is nearby. Nocturne is able to mess you up while literally being on the opposite side of the map.

Simply because he can deny you vision with 23 seconds cooldown.

koshkyraFeb 11, 20183 votes

pun intended?

InfernapeFeb 11, 201812 votes

Well they did say the mode is open to "assassins and aggressive divers". Camille, Diana, Lee Sin, Elise, and Pantheon are aggressive divers because that's all they are in game.

Yi's not in it because of his W. And the chances are he'd be blown up instantly. He doesn't really deal burst damage.

Nocturne is probably not in it because of his spell shield (IIRC they playtested Nocturne and found him to naturally be too unfun to face) and his ultimate.

Nidalee would just flat out play like an artillery mage and fish for nuke damage spears.

I still hold the belief that Ahri and Kennen do not belong in that mode.

VoraciousXFeb 11, 20186 votes

My main issue is Kennen honestly. Someone who can confidently go in and stun multiple people in a mode like this with high damage(especially when it doesn't resemble assassin damage at all imo) is ridiculous. My main issue is with CC that doesn't have some sort of condition, unlike how most actual assassin CC does(Shaco's boxes need time to arm and people to walk into them, Evelynn's requires her to wait 2.5 seconds and then fire a skillshot at them unless she's right up in their face in which they deserve to be charmed, etc).

Daddy BraumFeb 11, 20185 votes

Instead of nitpicking at something you don"t like how about just enjoy it as is or don't play it

Ben SwoIoFeb 11, 20181 votes

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Instead of nitpicking at something you don"t like how about just enjoy it as is or don't play it

Here have my down vote

Daddy BraumFeb 11, 20182 votes

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Here have my down vote

Thanks man appreciate it

SukishooFeb 11, 20184 votes

and 3 that are assassins ( Yi, Nidalee, Nocturne)

Yi is classed as a Skirmisher not an Assassin.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/taking-another-look-subclasses

Thomas500Feb 11, 20183 votes

Go load your client and look at champions that are assassins. Btw the post you referenced is over 2 years old, Kayn wasn't even made yet. The list on the client is or at least should be the most up to date to label each champion as their role.

SukishooFeb 11, 20187 votes

2 years??! try 9 months ago LEL

Riot goes by that list not what's in Client, they haven't updated those in ages as no one that players Yi considers Yi to be an Assassin.

Thomas500Feb 11, 20183 votes

That is the most unthought out comment on here. The client list is wrong? Seriously? Why would new players come on the forums to find out who to play and what they could do. The client should be the main place to find out about champions, unless your saying Riot is lazy or doesn't really care about the player base so they don't update things that should be.

Also funny you should reference that link as EVERY SINGLE CHAMP I SAID IN THIS POST IS LABELED UNDER ASSASINS JUST AS I HAVE SAID HERE. Your link has the same list of assassins as the client. So before just running your mouth, maybe you should read your own stuff your referencing.

SukishooFeb 11, 20182 votes

Believe what you want but that is what Riot does. They go by that list, not what is "in-client" as they haven't updated those in ages. There are tons of terms used by the community to class the champions that can't even be found in the client.

It's like saying "Nunu and Ivern are supports cause the Client says so" but they are not. Nunu is classed as a Warden and Ivern is a Catcher.

Chromatic EagleFeb 11, 20183 votes

Those are technically still supports, but I get what you mean.

SukishooFeb 11, 20181 votes

They were NEVER supports. They are junglers.

PB4UAMEFeb 11, 20182 votes

Uh, that's completely wrong. Nunu was for years a support pick, and was quite M.E.T.A. in season 2 and season 3, being the best support due to the, at the time, overpowered Blood Boil he had, coupled with all of the attack speed slows in his kit.

He would E the enemy adc and keep W on his own and fairly passively decide lanes back when we had 15-30 minutes of laning phase.

SukishooFeb 11, 20182 votes

Yes, and I've had an Akali support, but that doesn't mean it's what the kit was meant for. Nunu's kit has always said Jungle on it since his Q is best used to consume Jungle camps for clearing (as it can't be used against enemies and well ADCs don't like it when supports take farm)

PB4UAMEFeb 19, 20182 votes

They literally reworked Nunu into a jungler, as before he would have no bonuses to using Q on anything period. It was always a smite like ability with massive instant heal. It was primarily used to secure dragons, which is why you have two people bot lane in the first place. Especially since this was during the 1 vs 2 meta, and there was no Rift Herald, so it was ridiculously dominant as a support skill, enabling the bot lane to push back their top laner, and potentially duo drake without needing jungler assistance, so their jungler could be top side, 2 vs 2ing their ADC/support, while you have a free dragon.

In fact, Nunu support was SO DOMINANT and deciding Worlds championships (along with a Caitlyn ADC) that they dumpstered his W, lowered his AS slows by half, and then retooled him into a counter-jungler.

You just. . . don't know what you're talking about, at all.

hhaavviikkFeb 11, 20184 votes

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They were NEVER supports. They are junglers.

that's not true, nunu supports used to be incredibly popular and very strong, it's just that riot thought he was too strong so they nerfed his support role

Chromatic EagleFeb 11, 20186 votes

A support doesn’t have to be someone chained to the bot lane. Isn’t that a big topic for support mains?

redniwediSFeb 11, 20189 votes

The client should be the main place to find out about champions,

It should be.

unless your saying Riot is lazy or doesn't really care about the player base so they don't update things that should be.

It's not that they don't care, they just don't add things a lot of the time if it's not necessary to the game. There's a reason the wiki is so popular.

Also funny you should reference that link as EVERY SINGLE CHAMP I SAID IN THIS POST IS LABELED UNDER ASSASINS JUST AS I HAVE SAID HERE. Your link has the same list of assassins as the client.

Except for Master Yi, which is under Skirmisher in that link and not Assassin, just like Sukishoo said.

SeleenaFeb 11, 20183 votes

i wish they'd put riven, building her lethality is fun.

B2oWgvLIYnFeb 11, 20183 votes

Diana isn't an assassin, I'm sorry? I've played a lot of Dia and I can very much tell you she is VERY much an assassin. Her whole point is to jump on a squishy in the target backline/out of position and combo-burst them down.

Maligaro SpikeFeb 11, 20185 votes

she is a diver, her role is similar to assassins but she completely lacks the tools to make it out and instead rely on her shield and Zhonya, she oneshots your ADC for sure but this isn't enough to label her as an assassin

B2oWgvLIYnFeb 12, 20181 votes

I see, okay, I didn't really think of it that way League seems to have A Lot of classes

KaisadiIIaFeb 11, 20183 votes

How is Diana not an assassin but Nidalee is?

Mita3003Feb 11, 20182 votes

have you ever seen full lethality lee or full ad camile they 3 shot you just like a assasin would and tank items are disabled in the gamemode so you cant build tanky you have to build damage.

JohnnyNeverSinsFeb 11, 20182 votes

Hashinshin was right,what do people enjoy doing in this game? Killing people,well let's make a gamemode where you get to pick assassins that at level 18 they have like 2000 hp and let's enable champions that have a lot of cc like kennen or fucking ahri and that can reach up to 3700 hp like Camile or fucking Lee sin and in order to win you'd have to pick one of the above mentioned champions just because the enemy team might have them and since they have kennen that can just R and stun the entire team you have to play him too,I thought it was a fun gamemode where you jump in and play your assassin but no,this game is such a fucking lie nowadays

Handy Sandy Feb 11, 20182 votes

ahri is an assassin, yi nid and nocturne aren't assassins.

riot's definition of an assassin is pretty much "get in a fight, kill someone, get out." Zed Akali Evelynn etc

wildfox99Feb 11, 20182 votes

ahri is a pick mage/assassin that were used to be played like an assassin (before getting nerfed into oblivion) full AD lee/camille still work like an assassin elise IS an assassin but i agree on kennen,phanteon and yasuo (and maybe riven),they are a totally different class

Yaśuo MainFeb 11, 20182 votes

You're telling me Yasuo shouldn't be in it but Yi should, even though Yi isn't actually an assassin he is the same class as Yasuo?

Crash BandicootFeb 11, 20181 votes

Didn't they say they were going to add Kayn this go-around? Whatever happened to that?

soopcanFeb 11, 20185 votes

they did

Violet FieldsFeb 11, 20181 votes

Yasuo, Elise, Lee Sin, Ahri, and Pantheons are all secondary Assassins according to the old client's roles, this is probably where they got this from. As for Camille Diana and Kennen, if you subtract his ultimate, all of Kennen's abilities ARE Assassin abilities (single target), unless you decide to go full magic penetration build, they also probably put him here because he's great as killing pretty much only Assassins, if you put him in any other game mode he kind of sucks, Diana has a gap closer, shields, and a mage like ability and since Assassins don't really have any cc or tank like abilities they just gave her the Fighter/Mage tag, but she kind of fits the theme of Blood Moon, her theme is a Lunar Eclipse her Q shows vision "i think", and she can pop out of nowhere and can delete someone, that sounds like an Assassin to me, and Camille, I'm not really sure on this one, other than I just had a game where she dealt over 1000 true damage to me with just Triforce, Steraks and Tiamat.

Auz the RipperFeb 11, 20183 votes

Kennen is also a ninja as well as being “close enough” to an assassin so there are probably thematic reasons.

Jet SettFeb 11, 20181 votes

They're all assassins in the sense of what they do in the game, just not assassins as officially labelled by Riot. Only thing that shouldn't be there is Camille, otherwise everything in there is or was an assassin or labelled as such.

Ionian VulpixFeb 11, 20181 votes

I'd imagine Nocturne is not included because his kit has way too much utility in it instead of damage. Spellshield, Fear, and point and click long range ultimate nuke. I agree that Kennen doesn't belong in the mode either, but since he's a ninja with a blood moon skin, he's added.

And Ahri can still be an effective assassin, her numbers just suck right now.

Serika ZeroFeb 11, 20182 votes

Yasuo: anti projectiles, aoe knock up, shield, very unfun to play against. Included. Riven: aoe knock-up, aoe stun, tons of dashes, unfun to play against, included.

riot just picked some stuff they wanted and went on with it. I personally only played this game mode like twice when it first lunched and never again, because its just a clown fiesta with picks riot wants. Its like lcs, riot buffs stuff they want to see, and everything else gets to suck a dick.

Auz the RipperFeb 11, 20181 votes

They did not include riven this time. The one time she was include was just as a advertisement for her and yasuo's new skins