What am i suppose to do against a Fiora ?

One Ashe On··42 votes·6,937 views

I've never went against a champion as unfair as Fiora is ! You win lane ? She outscale and get herself fed on your team if you are tank. You lose lane ? She goes more aggressive and destroy everyone as she get farmed/fed . You build HP to counter her % damage ? Not even an option ... she does % MAX HEALTH true damage... When you play Mundo and Fiora get picked and do 2700 true damage only by her passive.. something is getting wrong... Not only if you catch her out of position, use riposte, deny your engage or damage and just Q away because the cooldown is way to low and cost barely any mana... I don't know what to do against a Fiora. I used to main her pre rework because i loved the fact that her ult was a dance of blade . But the overpowered Fiora that we have now, give me cancer and i hate her. I would hate myself if i would ever play that overloaded champion. So now the question is : What should i do to win over her and don't get more game destroyed by her ?

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ABlueQuaker35 votes

After extensive research I have concluded that the most popular counter to Fiora is crying on the forums.

One Ashe On13 votes

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After extensive research I have concluded that the most popular counter to Fiora is crying on the forums.

I'm not crying, i'm asking for answer. I'm not challenger so i ask others to help me understand.

53012 votes

I got this

Hug walls so that she can't get to the vitals on the other side

If your rank is high enough (for example, gold-plat) you can win the game before she outscales you (around 40 minutes)

Play her so you have a feel for what she can and cannot take. Knowing what a champ does ad how to counter play is probably the best way to learn

Win the 5v4. Fiora has shit teamfighting and anyone who thinks otherwise is an ape or a troll. Her teamfighting looks good on paper, until you realize she can't flank and can't peel. She has the team heal, but that's still pretty shit. Her teamfighting is very hard, like much harder than Elise level hard. Fiora can only clean up and split, like Tryndamere

Pick Yi and just face roll her past 40 minutes since she can't 1v1 him if played right. Someone somewhere else in the thread that Yi can't kill her but in theory he should be able to since he can proc his on-hits (red smite, bloodrazor, blade of ruined king, E) and tank her damage with his tank items faster than Fiora can shred through the tank stats. Crit Yi should lose though, but everyone knows that build is only good if you're smurfing or duo with a Lulu/Karma/Janna player

Buy ninja tabi

Thefrostyviking1 votes

They removed the possbility of wall hugging for the sake of Fiora not having any "unhealthy counters"

Ninja tabi is worth little to nothing if she´s ulting. :(

Chønklord26 votes

Play Fiora.

One Ashe On9 votes

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Play Fiora.

Never. I am not a sheep who follow meta and play the most OP pick of the moment. Also if the only way to deal with the champion is to play her, that mean they lack of weakness wich is negative experience for the game itself. Mean it deserve a nerf.

Irelia Bot37 votes

Playing them to boost yourself is one thing

Playing them to know their weak points so you can have a better chance of beating them is another.

One Ashe On4 votes

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Playing them to boost yourself is one thing

Playing them to know their weak points so you can have a better chance of beating them is another.

If it end up boosting myself it still ain't what i want.. Only thing i know is Darius counter her in some way but if she is good she can deny his ultimate... maybe Pantheon but again a good Fiora can riposte the stun.

Slythion18 votes

then play her in normals? If you are serious about climbing, you'd take a break to address your weak points

ImTheSideKick4 votes

this play her to learn her in normals

DeathBurst7 votes

It's not a question of following the meta and abusing OP picks, it's a question of understanding how Fiora works, what are her weaknesses, and what you should do against her by watching what others do against you when you play her yourself.

Sure, you can come on the boards and ask for advice, but the fastest way to get an answer is to try it for yourself and see how it goes.

Andrey03456 votes

She is not OP pick. Yes, she is strong, but you don't call her OP.... She's just a regular decent champion at this point. And the champion doesn't lack weaknesses, just kill her and you are fine. It's like yi. CC helps.

TheDangerousTaco4 votes

I disagree with this. I think fiora is overpowered because of her True damage. Everything else in her kit is fine, but her % true damage puts her off the charts in terms of damage. She cant be outdamaged 1v1 unless the enemy has a way to nullify damage Jax Kayle item 3157

Slythion11 votes

Just as Boosted said, you should play Fiora. Playing her will help you understand the specific aspects of her kit, for instance: you would know that her Q only has a short cooldown if it hits an enemy. It's hardly even a decent escape tool

One Ashe On3 votes

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Just as Boosted said, you should play Fiora. Playing her will help you understand the specific aspects of her kit, for instance: you would know that her Q only has a short cooldown if it hits an enemy. It's hardly even a decent escape tool

I've just played against one and as soon she get black cleaver, ravenous hydra and death dance, the cooldown is negligible. It's way to short.

Slythion7 votes

with 30% cdr at level 3 her Q would still have an 8.4 second cooldown which is still pretty lengthy tbh. Even at level 5 her Q cd would be 5.6 seconds.

These are not extremely short cooldowns when it's just a short-range dash. It's not an efficient escape tool

67chrome8 votes

3 major items is an end-game build. (average gold per champ per game has been ~11,000 for the last couple years: which works out to 1k in boots, 3 major 3k items, and 1k in the bank when someone's Nexus explodes). This also means anyone doing slightly below average (loosing teams), will tend to end a game with only 2 major items completed.

If a carry gets to an end-game build you're going to have problems.

If you're not playing a carry, you need to make an impact during the 0, 1, or 2 major item phases: and push to win earlier rather than later.

Weiner the Pooh10 votes

Little late to the circlejerk. Regardless, as Mundo you just chuck cleavers at her all through lane phase and once you've poked her low enough go hard. She'll have to chose between getting chunked over and over and over or trying to do something. And if she uses Q to dodge one and doesn't hit anything even better, run her down. When she puts her ult on you and is actively trying to fight you just pop yours and kite back with W and cleavers, you'll heal faster than she can damage you then when her ult wears off, run her down. You gotta think about your match ups, not everyone one is the same. League champs are not one size fits all.

FalconPawwwwnch3 votes

Fiora outscales the ever loving fuck out of mundo lol

When she finished hydra he can't even get close to her anymore

Vumzuces2 votes

Mundo is about the worst choice you could pick into Fiora man..

Shrek Luigi9 votes

Renekton, Darius, Yorick.....champions that have enough sustain in their kits to heal through her Q pokes are a good bet.

Trundle is usually good too since he auto-wins trades thanks to his AA-reset and AD debuff but has been quite a weak toplane pick as of late.

Honestly, she's a duelist and doesn't have too many meta-matchups where she struggles in a 1v1--you're wrong about her scaling, though. She's pretty meager in teamfights unless she gets a good gold-lead, and is an underwhelming split pusher,so just deny her any lane kills by playing safe and try to match her CS.

five oh tree 7 votes

Don't try to duel a duelist. Congrats, you just gained elo, because playing safe is the secret to top lane in general. Mundo is a horrible pick into fiora.

If you want champions that can duel her? try other skirmishers

If you want to crush her in lane, try Teemo or Pantheon

If you want to give her aids, play Malzahar or The Donger

Your goal should never be to 1v1 fiora. You should simply try to be more useful to your team than she is to hers in a 5v5 scenario, which isn't horribly hard to do if you don't feed her to the ends of the earth.

You're not supposed to BUILD against fiora; you're supposed to PLAY against her, that is why she has the % max health true damage everyone bitches about. You shouldn't just build a couple armor items and ignore a melee carry, so you have to constantly play her dumb vitals game with her.

Play safe and wait for ganks, OR counter her with some picks mentioned above. Good luck.

GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

Yeah nice champ design we have here: don't interact with her that's her counterplay hehexd. Spare me this bullshit please but i'm not even going to argue with a fiora main.

Joxcab2 votes

Okay have fun trying to 1v1 any other champion good at a 1v1 if you can't 1v1 well whether because of your own skill or your champion pick.

Tell me how it goes.

Stop crying.

OyddAWqJ5r3 votes

That's literally half the top lane matchups. If you lose the matchup hard af like zoning hard then you literally stand there and soak xp and farm where you can.

Top lane isn't just about brawling nonstop.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

these people are just salty that facts dont care about their feelings

wishbone256 votes

garen is le counter pick drops mic !!

Critmaster Garen12 votes

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garen is le counter pick drops mic !!

stormraider Nasus works better.

wither is incredibly hard to parry, due to being an instant cast. she ults you, you wither her and walk away. most of the time the best thing she can do is parry one of your q's.

but that wont stop you, because stormraider triggers through riposte, even thugh it negates damage.

early on in lane, whenever she tries to poke at one of your vitals, you drop your e, wither her and watch her get pummled by minions due to the recuced armor. you win those trades without even fighting back at her.

Joxcab8 votes

That sounds both incredibly trollish and hilarious.

Pluniverse5 votes

This is why i ban nasus every game. If the nasus is smart like this asshole you can't do shit and by the time your lvl 6 he has enough stacks to 1v1 you.

Mortekaiser5 votes

i can easily counter fiora with vlad

most fiora players can be read like a book, you can easily bait out Q from fiora because they are monkeys.

Xavanic1 votes

until she outscales you at 6 and you have no escape, fiora is literally the only top laner that actually pisses me off

Mortekaiser5 votes

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until she outscales you at 6 and you have no escape, fiora is literally the only top laner that actually pisses me off

run movespeed quints/start boots/run stormraiders

bait out her Q before using your own Q unless you have empowered Q

walking at her with empowered Q typically baits out her W so just sidestep it

if you mindlessly walk at her and Q yes she will beat your ass because her E slows you.

don't overextend, play like a bitch, ward up, you can win the lane even when she picks up hexdrinker

Weiner the Pooh2 votes

Uh no. Hes beefy and heals a lot, in order to get her %hp damage she has to hit her vitals, and its hard to do that when the person is really fast, hence mundo, who slows while he does that.

Serika Zero5 votes

If you want a real answer: There's a few champions that can 1v1 Fiora in the late game: Tryndamere - due to his ultimate and sustained damage via crits Akali - due to her W able to wait out the ultimate and then healing back with item 3146 , you will still need a defensive armor hp item tho. like item 3143 as 3rd or 4th item (even if she does some true damage, you need a way to survive the non true damage too) Diana - this might sound very strange to you but, diana can deal with fiora in the late game due to item 3157 (for fiora's ult) and item 3115 (for sustained dps) while doing her spell rotations. Gnar - due to item 3022 and item 3071 and item 3153 Kennen - same reason as gnar. In both cases, it highly depends on how good you are at kiting and attack moving Irelia - because she can kill fiora during her stun duration AND its difficult to predict it and it has a very quick animation Jax - because his counter attack skill will stop her auto attacks, making her only able to proc vitals with Q and W. Kayle - due to her ultimate Leblanc - due to kiting via her Es Shyvana - this is ???, i don't know which one of them will win a fight in late game Veigar - a stun field she can do nothing against and 2 abilities that can pretty much one shot her Vayne - depends how good you are at kiting.

As far as other champions are concerned. Fiora is generally weaker than others in team fights. She is great in 1v1s where she can chose exactly what to parry and knows the damage she will receive, but due to her low hp and resistance, she will easily die in a team fight if focused properly. Furthermore, she would have big issues against zone control supports or mages (or ivern in team fights). So, if you are with some other type of champions, simply refuse to 1v1 her in top/bot lane and force team fights. As she will be weaker in that aspect.

Regarding her early game. I know for a fact that Diana's kit stomps Fiora's due to Diana's Ws (2 points in there and you win lane phase). But, keep in mind, you got no dashes or escapes. I personally used Diana to counter Fiora even when Fiora used to be stronger than today and it worked very good.

The Akali - Fiora match-up is a skill match-up mostly. You still have the initial advantage which, as most of the times, can be "offset" by junglers. About the others, you will have to play them yourself to know more.

Ninja tabi also reduces some of her damage.

Another thing you can do is play Fiora yourself and see what makes you lose games. Spam like 50 fiora games and see what is being used against you.

If you want a normal or troll answer: Git Gud Scrub viva la baguette Fiora

Vumzuces3 votes

As a Fiora main for a quite some seaons i must say most of these matchups simply arent correct.

Tryndamere this is an easy matchup for Fiora as long as she doesnt die to his lucky crits lvl 1-3. Let me expand on that, at level 6 and beyond all Fiora needs to do is hit all 4 vitals, get her victory zone and tryndamere is either forced to keep AAing her in her victory zone in which she heals more than his damage or run away in which case Fiora will catch up. Another vital reason this is a rather easy matchup for Fiora is due to her W completely fking over tryndamere's AS and MS the former being more important during a 1v1.

Akali this is not a matchup i get often but when i do its not that hard, if fiora saves her W for akali's Q auto proc and perhaps the gunblade if shes lucky, this becomes really onesided. Regarding Akali's W shroud though, Fiora can still hit the vitals with her Q dash as it hits stealthed enemies too. Overall though, haven't played this matchup enough to know for sure who it favours.

Diana Sounds like an easy matchup for Fiora, what does Diana need to hit for her to get big dmg? her Q, Fiora can easily parry that. Furthermore if Fiora decides to parry Dianas E or W not sure which one (the one that brings enemies to her) then the Diana in turn gets stunned and shes likely dead due to Fiora being able to chase easily and proc 2 vitals during the duration of the stun. Diana's burst simply isnt enough, and can be easily parried overall.

Gnar Gnar is only annoying to face when hes in his mini gnar form during lane, however he inevitably becomes mega gnar at some point and that's when hes really easy to kill as Fiora, gnar has 2 stuns, his W being extremely predictable and his R being possible to parry too if the fiora has fast reaction time. Gnar usually dies at this point or might get out with kiting either way. Also a tip use fioras W in lane when gnar is about to hit his 3rd hit passive.

Kennen with this one i'll agree with you for sure, Kennen fks over fiora in lane and can definitely 1v1 him and come out on top however this is only during lane phase once fiora hits 2-3 items the kennen loses almost always if they have around even gold or at least not too much of a difference. one thing to note here though is one of the key reasons kennen beats fiora in lane is because its 100% impossible for Fiora to W kennens stuns.

Irelia Agreed, skill matchup if Fiora blocks the stun she wins, if not Irelia wins (unless one of them heavily misplays). after 3 + items its always in fioras favour.

Jax Exact same as Irelia above.

Kayle Almost same as gnar, with this one though, her ult completely denies yours and youd find yourself AAing her vitals and not a single one procing, very annoying as you get harrassed in lane too. Better buy Dorans shield and pray for a jungle gank.

Leblanc If anyone had the intention of playing LB into Fiora, do not. This is awful for leblanc. Leblancs most popular build being gunblade + lichbane only gives her 10 CDR meaning she has cannot spam W as much at all. use lb E on fiora you say? It's the same as saying " fiora pls come stun me so you can kill me after" the reason Fiora works so well against LB is because she can almost never get rooted ( unless Fiora W is on CD or lb uses RE too) but also the fact Fioras passive blocks the LB passive dmg.

Shyvana not much happening in this matchup, i've faced fed Shyvanas as fiora, its really onesided heavily in Fioras favour.

Veigar Funnily enough, i've actually played Fiora mid couple times simply because they blindpicked Veigar. Veigar is an extremely easy matchup for Fiora at all stages in the game. because Veigar can never stun the fiora.. if fiora sees the cage and shes right in the middle of it theres a cool trick you can do on her which is to QW into the cage, immediately stunning the veigar and then oneshotting him afterwards. Legit probably one of the worst matchups for veigar. However if he did hit his stun somehow, Fiora can just W the veigar ult as due to merc treads she gets out of the stun before the veigar R or other abilties actually reach her.

Vayne This is a matchup i almost never have but if the game does get to lategame and i see myself facing a lvl 18 vayne it goes either way, If the vayne tumbles in the right direction and Fioras Q goes the other way, vayne wins. If fiora parries the vayne condemn, fiora wins ( doesnt matter if the condemn was going to be a stun or not)

All these matchups are from what i've gathered having mained fiora for multiple seasons and so I feel they're pretty accurate.

If you do want some matchups that genuinely fk over fiora bigtime in lane phase and outside of it here you go

:MasterYi Nothing fiora can do here, If yi alpha strikes fiora Q its 100% over for the fiora, YI will crit ur ass, go untargetable meaning you cannot hit his vitals. Pantheon Only during lane, buy dorans shield here and play safe, give up some CS if youre fiora and post 3 items its easy. Mordekaiser sounds weird but twice now ive gotten rekt by a random mordekaiser. Granted i have 0 knowledge of what his abilities do, he seems rather strong against fiora.. cannot describe it. Renekton If renek manages to kill fiora during his superior earlygame its pretty much over unless game goes to late. Malphite Doesn't beat Fiora in the sense that he gets solo kills over and over, but this champion is just something special, his AS reduction and innate tankiness is just something Fiora genuinely struggles against during lane. Also his ult is near impossible to parry if cast from close range. Jayce Great champion to beat Fiora with earlygame and keep her behind big time. Vladimir can be a great pick as his pool is similar to Kayles ultimate and he can just poke + heal up constantly.

Fiora may be one of the best duelist in the game that can turn 1v1's or even 1v2's around but she will struggle in teamfights to ult a target and consistently manage to hit all 4 or even 3 of his vitals during a all out 5v5. If fiora uses her W for nothing or simply has it on Cd its really hard for her to do anything at all as she can easily get oneshot. Fiora doesnt bring as much to teamfights as let's say Galio might do, but she makes up for that by being stronger in 1v1's.

That being said, i do agree she might need some tuning, shes extremely strong right now and i'm not able to pick Fiora much anymore as shes almost always banned.

KirotheImmortal1 votes

Im going to agree with this 100%. At first i was going to disagree with Shyv but then i remembered her new dragon fire thing is no longer the 3 shot and is actualy hard to land against mobile champs like fio. (specialy one with such a small hitbox/model)

Also as a mord player i would say theres not much fio can do. Unless mord botches his Q using the W glitch fio will get melted or unless she can parry his third auto after his q starts. Fio can counter mord easily. But only someone whos played mord alot and knows his Q animations (are different then normal autos) and able to count autos in heat of battle. But even then i would avoid mord as fio. One false move will turn you against your team. I find mord is strongest against 3 champs. Yi, Fio, Yas. All 3 can easily counter mord however mords sustain even when taking critical damage is kind of hard to fight even if the fight is in your favor.

Vumzuces1 votes

I actually have no idea how mordekaiser works even today.. have no idea what his QWE are but i do know his R to some extent. If i knew his animations and what his 3rd Q is i could probably see myself beating him but till that day morde will beat me hard.

Bob the Toastr2 votes

Let me briefly explain them to you then. Passive: Doing magic damage with his abilities charges up a shield (his secondary bar) which decays when out of combat. Q: Next 3 autos are empowered, with the third doing twice the damage of the first two. W: Puts a swirling circle on himself (and a target unit) that does DoT and restores health when reactivated E: Does damage in a cone, gives bonus shield charge when hitting champions R: Marks a champ, does DoT, and if he kills them during the effect, he gets a ghost of them, and he gets bonus health and ad and the ghost gets bonus damage.

Vumzuces2 votes

Thank you!

so basically.. that 3rd Q is a must W for Fiora since thats where most of his dmg comes from.. is there any easy way to see that he activated his Q ? i can count his autos after that ability i guess

SlampieceHawke1 votes

Ayyy can I ask how J4 does against her? Just curious

Vumzuces2 votes

J4 loses pretty hard, his EQ knock up combo just straight up gets him stunned by the fiora and j4's ult is basically like saying " we're both cornered now, feel free to hit all my 4 vitals and kill me"

J4 has no chance whatsoever. Also, once he starts building tank after couple items you probably outheal his dmg.

Melledoneus4 votes

Honestly? Curbstomp her. Crowd her with your team and beat the ever-loving shit out of her every opportunity you get. If you're top lane, pick a tank and play passive (freeze the wave for even better effectiveness) to cockblock a snowball. Later, you peel for your carries as they melt her.

The way to defeat Fiora is to overwhelm her and destroy her. She has no AoE teamfighting capabilities (like Illaoi, Darius, and Sion), and her defensive mechanism isn't good for dealing with multiple people (unlike Gangplank, Shen, and Tryndamere).

You almost never want to send a lone person to deal with Fiora unless they are fed and their name is Master Yi, Jax, or Olaf. Get a team and make her disappear.

Project omen3 votes

For starters, don't duel her unless you have mobility and you are a couple levels ahead. Only a handful of champions can duel her when they are on equal grounds. Not playing Mundo would also be good. Other than that, bait out her parry in fights and cc her.

Celebrimborr3 votes

Play the TROLL KINGTrundle

Dataless2 votes

You wait until she gets nerfed or you play Riven and join her in the depths of hell.

korg0232 votes

lay down and cry.

Oriyoki2 votes

alt-f4 and go make yourself a meal.

WitchQueen Annie2 votes

You're supposed to make a deal with her.

"WAIT! WE CAN DO A DEAL!"

Fiora "No." (kills you)

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