Kassadin has the worst passive in the game

SKB Bad Bunny·May 7, 2018·5 votes·2,966 views

His magic damage reduction is bullshit, and so is his magic shield on the Q, as I understand Kassadin, he's supposed to dump on mages, however he just gets dumped on both early and late game if you get comboed by a mage. Obviously if you get to late you're gonna assassinate your mage target but thats because of Kassadins assassin nature and his overall damage, but his passive doesnt help at all in anything he does.

Early into the game you get poked freely and tbh the passive doesnt mitigate shit, his Q shield feels almost non-existent for early trades since you're still gonna get outdamaged due to range and Kassadins negative damage during the early game, his Q basically heals opponents. Why does he have something in his kit that is literally useless?

PD: Run me over with the downvotes, im used to it every time I share my opinion.

15 Comments

webstar1108May 7, 20181 votes

I hate Kass so i love destroying him with Talon LOL

SKB Bad BunnyMay 7, 20181 votes

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I hate Kass so i love destroying him with Talon LOL

Tbh I think Kassadin has a better time against Talon than any other ranged mage, in the lane you just have to run grasp of the undying, boneplate and chrysalis with cloth armor, that will basically make Talon unkillable as long as he dodges the comeback from Talon's W which is honestly very easy to dodge, and once Kass has zhonia its basically impossible for Talon to actually get Kassadin.

webstar1108May 7, 20181 votes

You sir must not play against good Talons. Talon does ONLY attack damage so Kass Q does shield does nothing. Pre-6 Talon has a slow and a gap closer so Kass cannot farm without taking damage. Trust me,. Talon destroys Kass.

SKB Bad BunnyMay 7, 20181 votes

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You sir must not play against good Talons. Talon does ONLY attack damage so Kass Q does shield does nothing. Pre-6 Talon has a slow and a gap closer so Kass cannot farm without taking damage. Trust me,. Talon destroys Kass.

Talon relies on hitting his entire combo to deal significant damage in lane. His W is very easy to dodge on the way back which is what applies the slow, also his gap closer is very short range appart from dealing less damage if you use it to jump to someone. They key against every assassin is playing carefully and Talon is no difference, its much easier to not feed Talon as opposed to Zed

webstar1108May 7, 20181 votes

Talon Q's to Kass - W - aa. That is an electrocute proc and the W is not easy to dodge if casted right on you. Kass has a 43.35% wr when facing a Talon, so you are just spewing low elo obervations.

SKB Bad BunnyMay 7, 20183 votes

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Talon Q's to Kass - W - aa. That is an electrocute proc and the W is not easy to dodge if casted right on you. Kass has a 43.35% wr when facing a Talon, so you are just spewing low elo obervations.

Thats mainly because Talons game concept is based around the early game, the constant roams and pressure on other lanes while Kassadin's gameplay is the complete opposite, Kass needs to wait for the late game. By the time Kass gets strong, Talon carries every other lane.

RevaliMay 7, 20181 votes

Kassadin has a very easy time with mages, being that his q grants him this 'weak' spellshield that's also unavoidable. pairing that with his passive its stronger then you think.

Once kassadin gets his ultimate its nearly impossible for a mage to trade with a good kassadin as he'll just dodge it with his ult, or blink over it at them and just murder them.

SKB Bad BunnyMay 7, 20181 votes

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Kassadin has a very easy time with mages, being that his q grants him this 'weak' spellshield that's also unavoidable. pairing that with his passive its stronger then you think.

Once kassadin gets his ultimate its nearly impossible for a mage to trade with a good kassadin as he'll just dodge it with his ult, or blink over it at them and just murder them.

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Also Kassadin post 6 still has shit tier damage, he only starts to kick off once he has RoA and Lich Bane completed, and by the time you get to those items, the game is either lost or your team is stomping, so Kassadin doesnt really mean much in a team.

Crow NebulaMay 7, 20181 votes

It seems Riot made Kass's early game terrible in order to compensate for his God-tier late game. But it's a bad move, because his early game takes so much work, and is often so frustrating, that new Kass players rarely ever stick around long enough to awaken his God-form, so his retention levels remain low.

The solution is pretty simple: strengthen his early game and soften his post-6 scaling. But he's not a popular champion, so it's unlikely Riot will bother changing him any time soon.

SKB Bad BunnyMay 7, 20181 votes

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It seems Riot made Kass's early game terrible in order to compensate for his God-tier late game. But it's a bad move, because his early game takes so much work, and is often so frustrating, that new Kass players rarely ever stick around long enough to awaken his God-form, so his retention levels remain low.

The solution is pretty simple: strengthen his early game and soften his post-6 scaling. But he's not a popular champion, so it's unlikely Riot will bother changing him any time soon.

I guess he recieved the Kalista treatment, he was so strong back in his gold days that rito decided to put him into the ground.

JbelsMay 7, 20181 votes

The problem with Kassadin is that he's working with a kit that was designed around having a silence. Kassadin used to be stupid with that silence so they removed it and gave him a magic damage shield instead, completely fucking him against AD assassin Matchups. They are so stubborn about getting rid of the thing that eats his entire power budget, his ult, that he's stayed the same for years. He needs some change, and soon

SKB Bad BunnyMay 7, 20181 votes

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The problem with Kassadin is that he's working with a kit that was designed around having a silence. Kassadin used to be stupid with that silence so they removed it and gave him a magic damage shield instead, completely fucking him against AD assassin Matchups. They are so stubborn about getting rid of the thing that eats his entire power budget, his ult, that he's stayed the same for years. He needs some change, and soon

Honestly I struggle more against mages than ADs, usually the only AD champs you see in mid are either Zed or Talon. Zed fucks up everybody because Zed, and Talon is not that bad to deal with. But mages just feel so annoying to deal with.

Any other melee assassin can fight a mage in the laning phase and get favorable trades despite their low range. Kassadin not only loses the trades but also his defensive abilities are quite lacking imo and his damage without items is literally non-existent, his base damage is on Soraka lvl.

I know Kass excels in the late game more than any other assassin but lets be real, the AoE damage and range of a conventional mage feels more useful most of the time. Most people would rather have a late game Anivia, Vlad, Swain, Oriana rather than Kassadin.

Colton147May 7, 20181 votes

Karma

InfernapeMay 7, 20181 votes

So does Fizz by extension. Fizz's passive is the same thing except it makes him take less damage from physical attacks.

SKB Bad BunnyMay 7, 20181 votes

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So does Fizz by extension. Fizz's passive is the same thing except it makes him take less damage from physical attacks.

The main difference between Fizz and Kassadin is that Fizz can actually avoid damage and if you make a mistake in lane against Fizz he can basically stomp your face since he has high basedamage on his empowered W and a pretty decent wave clear on his E which makes his lane and trades much easier. Kassadin has none of that, no reliable wave clear, no trading potential, nothing. Just getting poked and desperately waiting for items.