Either Kassadin is shit or Ahri is unfair

SKB Bad Bunny·Mar 19, 2018·1 votes·1,082 views

I'd like to know which one is more likely to be true since last game I played Kass into Ahri and as far as I'm concerned, last time I checked it, Kassadin was an anti-mage assassin, however not only she outdamaged me heavily throughout all the game, I just stood no chance against her. In lane she would miss Q and E and outdamage my QE combo with just W and auto. In my opinion thats ridiculous, especially considering Kassadin has ap shield on his Q and magic dmg reduction on his passive, and i was also running nullifying orb rune, which should render her dmg useless against Kass in a 1vs1. But that didnt happen at all. My point is, im kinda done of unfair stuff, like champions that excel agaisnt others but in the end its not true. Considering Kassadins concept, I should win that matchup by any means, since thats the whole point of playing Kass into an ap.

33 Comments

nm1010Mar 19, 20186 votes

You died like level 2, Kassadin is notoriously bad from behind. You lost around a level in exp, then got killed again when Ahri hit level 6. From that point on you were severely behind Ahri. Rengar almost managed to save your lane, but you just couldn't keep it together and your continuous dying crushed any chance of you recovering.

SKB Bad BunnyMar 19, 20181 votes

{quoted}

You died like level 2, Kassadin is notoriously bad from behind. You lost around a level in exp, then got killed again when Ahri hit level 6. From that point on you were severely behind Ahri. Rengar almost managed to save your lane, but you just couldn't keep it together and your continuous dying crushed any chance of you recovering.

The thing is, how the fuck can i die lvl 2 if Ahri misses her goddamn spells, she should deal no dmg if she misses 2 out of her 3 spells

z63XnLCMwXMar 19, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=SKB Bad Bunny,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ErJgb3qZ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-03-19T17:13:42.349+0000)

The thing is, how the fuck can i die lvl 2 if Ahri misses her goddamn spells, she should deal no dmg if she misses 2 out of her 3 spells

By having your health go down to 0.

SKB Bad BunnyMar 19, 20181 votes

{quoted}

By having your health go down to 0.

Typical useless comment. If youre going to say that just stfu. The thing is simple, she missed her spells, I hit mine, I have Q ap shield, nullifying orb rune and MR passive, yet I still died, so I wanna know why.

z63XnLCMwXMar 19, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=SKB Bad Bunny,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ErJgb3qZ,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-19T17:28:15.378+0000)

Typical useless comment. If youre going to say that just stfu. The thing is simple, she missed her spells, I hit mine, I have Q ap shield, nullifying orb rune and MR passive, yet I still died, so I wanna know why.

Like I said, you die because your health goes down to 0.

GibberwattMar 19, 20182 votes

this is pretty solid logic. if she missed all her spells, ur magic resistance does jack against pissed minions and ahri autos.

AzadetheMar 19, 20183 votes

you prob auto attacked her or used your Q.

Single target abilities pull minion aggro, and I'd wager there was a wave.

nm1010Mar 19, 20185 votes

The thing is, how the fuck can i die lvl 2 if Ahri misses her goddamn spells

I ask myself the same thing, probably safe to assume you fucked up pretty hard though. I play both of the champions and neither of you should be doing much fighting that early.

Rins Thigh SocksMar 19, 20185 votes

Bro, either you're lying or you got autoattacked to death by an Ahri

and I'm not sure which is worse.

Ahri BakaMar 19, 20183 votes

What if I say Ahri is sh*t and Kass is unfair ? seriously tho what are you talking about Ahri early be like " Q W E few basic attacks applying electrocute" and barely takes 45% of your hp , or less actually since kassadin has his shield and other stuff , she will really deal way less than that , probably you were just bad ?

SKB Bad BunnyMar 19, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hikari Sakata,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ErJgb3qZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-03-19T17:34:12.968+0000)

What if I say Ahri is sh*t and Kass is unfair ? seriously tho what are you talking about Ahri early be like " Q W E few basic attacks applying electrocute" and barely takes 45% of your hp , or less actually since kassadin has his shield and other stuff , probably you were just bad ?

What if i say Ahri dealt 45% life dmg with W and electrocute

HalcyonDwellerMar 19, 20184 votes

Then I would say you were probably under-leveled or not respecting her items.

Or you Q'd her while you were standing in the middle of her minions - that's actually probably the most likely reason.

SKB Bad BunnyMar 19, 20181 votes

{quoted}

Then I would say you were probably under-leveled or not respecting her items.

Dude we were in laning phase, with our respective starter items and same lvl, she just outdamaged me landing only W she cant fail cuz its homing.

HalcyonDwellerMar 19, 20182 votes

{quoted}

Then I would say you were probably under-leveled or not respecting her items.

Or you Q'd her while you were standing in the middle of her minions - that's actually probably the most likely reason.

"Or you Q'd her while you were standing in the middle of her minions - that's actually probably the most likely reason."

SKB Bad BunnyMar 19, 20181 votes

{quoted}

"Or you Q'd her while you were standing in the middle of her minions - that's actually probably the most likely reason."

Too bad minion agro only applies for me, she is immune to that i guess.

HalcyonDwellerMar 19, 20182 votes

Come back when you're done throwing a passive aggressive tantrum. There are points worth discussing once you are able to think about them rationally.

HalcyonDwellerMar 19, 20182 votes

Here are the points - to help you improve your skill in this matchup:

Ahri is Ranged and you were Melee, even trading abilities in a minion wave you would have taken more damage, due to having to position more dangerously than her.

Because of this it is best to position back and wait for her to come forwards to harass, then you can try to trade damage where you are safely behind your own minion wave.
Additionally you could have used Q on a minion to grant yourself the shield, and then used E on Ahri so that she would have been slowed near your minions so that those minions could attack her after she auto-attacked you.

Ahri's E is single target and would have drawn minion aggro if it hit. Her W can hit 3 separate targets so it doesn't necessarily count as single-target. It doesn't draw aggro the same way. But her Auto-attacks would, which means that either the minion waves were vastly numbered in her favor or you were positioned too far forwards while making that trade. See my points above about positioning and using E to harass while using Q on minions just to absorb damage with the shield.

EreldraMar 19, 20181 votes

Just chiming in to say, her E is indeed single target but its a skillshot and therefore doesn't draw minion aggro. Only targeted (point and click) spells like Kassa Q or Pantheon Q now draw minion aggro. Skillshots do not, wether they are single target or not.

HalcyonDwellerMar 19, 20181 votes

Ah, thanks for clarifying, then auto-attacks or being the only/nearest target nearby are the only way Ahri could draw minion aggro.

SKB Bad BunnyMar 19, 20181 votes

{quoted}

Then I would say you were probably under-leveled or not respecting her items.

Or you Q'd her while you were standing in the middle of her minions - that's actually probably the most likely reason.

If you think im lying you can always watch the vod, the lane phase doesnt last more than 10 mins

HalcyonDwellerMar 19, 20181 votes

By all means, post it to youtube, I will be thorough and polite in my analysis.

SKB Bad BunnyMar 19, 20181 votes

{quoted}

By all means, post it to youtube, I will be thorough and polite in my analysis.

just go to op.gg and watch the vod, i dont have the net to upload, my net speed is shit

HalcyonDwellerMar 19, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=SKB Bad Bunny,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ErJgb3qZ,comment-id=000300000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-03-19T18:33:20.721+0000)

just go to op.gg and watch the vod, i dont have the net to upload, my net speed is shit

Pray tell, how does one spectate a game from the past through OP.GG?

SKB Bad BunnyMar 19, 20181 votes

{quoted}

Pray tell, how does one spectate a game from the past through OP.GG?

You go to op.gg, you type my name and in my match history there is a button for replays

HalcyonDwellerMar 19, 20181 votes

I see options on several rows, each row is a subset of the previous row.

Summary | Champions | Leagues | Live Game (this is the only one that leads to a "replay" and it only has an option to spectate your active game)

Total | Ranked Solo | Ranked Flex (under this i can select individual matches)

(And within each match is this) Overview | Team Analysis | Builds | etc (none of which lead to replays).

Ahri BakaMar 19, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=SKB Bad Bunny,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ErJgb3qZ,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-03-19T17:49:05.301+0000)

What if i say Ahri dealt 45% life dmg with W and electrocute

She can't . she really can't lol

KhristophorosMar 19, 20182 votes

Kass sucks before level 6. He gets absolutely shit on by any competent mage players at that point. You're supposed to overcome this by laning carefully and biding your time. This is Kassadin's only real weakness. If he isn't shut down before level 6 he'll probably carry.

Rayjay RedfangMar 19, 20181 votes

Neither

SKB Bad BunnyMar 19, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rayjay Redfang,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ErJgb3qZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-19T16:51:09.514+0000)

Neither

Then why did i lose the matchup, before you talk some bullcrap like: ''because you suck''. Watch the vod of the game, Ahri missed her skills constantly

KhristophorosMar 19, 20187 votes

[{quoted}](name=SKB Bad Bunny,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ErJgb3qZ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-03-19T16:52:44.981+0000)

Then why did i lose the matchup, before you talk some bullcrap like: ''because you suck''. Watch the vod of the game, Ahri missed her skills constantly

Because you didn't understand the matchup or your champion. See my other post.

A matchup could be favorable or even for your champ but if you don't know the matchup or you don't know your champ you'll get stomped. Matchups don't describe players with 0 knowledge playing the champs. It describes players who have deep knowledge of both champs playing them.

LateCustomerMar 19, 20181 votes

Kassadin IS anti-mage, once he gets rolling. Pre-6, he's not so good. If you get seriously behind, it's pretty much over for you. That's all there is to it.

Ahri InariMar 22, 20181 votes

Kassadin isn't a anti-mage and even even less a anti assasin. He's a late game AP assasin with easier time surviving early game to mage. Also, you have only 4 games on Kassadin, you can't counterpick and expect it will do all the job for you. AP shield is useless if Ahri doesn't use any spell within the window. Nullyfing orb won't trigger if she finish you with aa ignite, especially if she miss her spell like you say.

xSightlessxMar 22, 20181 votes

You didnt get a wits end. Ironically your at the end of your wits. No for real tho, now you know she can hurt. Doesnt matter why, just that she can. Plan around that and carry on in life my dude. It will never be as bad as on-hit braum.