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VIT Cabochard··10 votes·1,368 views

I don't care what anyone says Vayne is just a complete joke. The champ has unlimited kiting true damage , stealth, a knockback / stun and is just not healthy for the game. The thing that makes her the most op is the w, which is her silver bolts that does insane amount of true damage . Take my last game example, i was Dr Mundo and i had thornmail, sunfire, randuins and normal boots. She had botrk pd, She did 1000 true damage and kited me the whole way with me hitting the cleavers and randuins and my ult on. That is just not right, She has insane late game and her early game isn't even that bad. The champ is very op and needs her w to be fixed and higher cooldowns on her q, A champ should not be able to solo a 300 armour 3.3k hp mundo that early in the game with 2 items. Her w needs to be either nerfed insanely or make it a low ap proc like gnar's w where it does a low magic damage. Vayne is one of the most op adc's at the moment and i don't feel like anyone can deny that. I really hope riot can fix this op adc.

28 Comments

Slamurai Jack4 votes

I hate when my hardest counter in the entire game kills me too. So unfair.

Ralanr1 votes

Thank you.

magic pole3 votes

vayne shits on mundo

Eedat3 votes

Liar Liar pants on fire. We can check your match history. Here is the specific match:

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1983937679/214633156?tab=overview

You negleted to mention that the Vayne was insanely fed

i was Dr Mundo and i had thornmail, sunfire, randuins and normal boots. She had botrk pd

LIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS she killed you at 16 minutes. Thornmail, Sunfire, Randuin's, tier one boots was your FINAL build at 27 minutes. If you're talking about if she killd you later in the game then why did you LIE about her items? "she had botrk pd" LOL you mea n she had botrk, pd, Youmuu, BF sword, and Zerkers. Literally everything about your story is a complete and utter lie.

Makes up a ton of bullshit to QQ over on the boards. Pretty pathetic OP

dunder kill2 votes

Busted

Environmentalist2 votes

I feel like you may have missed a cleaver or two. You should've been able to 1v1 her. She can be countered pretty easily. Play Twitch / Quinn. ggwpvayne

VIT Cabochard2 votes

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I feel like you may have missed a cleaver or two. You should've been able to 1v1 her. She can be countered pretty easily. Play Twitch / Quinn. ggwpvayne It doesn't matter. Late game she can just destory anyone and if you do have a twitch / quinn they will get killed before getting to the backline.

Environmentalist1 votes

Well, that's assuming your Twitch / Quinn aren't any good. :P I constantly play Twitch vs. Vayne and always come out on top.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

Obviously he may have missed a cleaver, but his point is even hitting most of his cleavers, his randuin's also slowing her when his cleavers weren't, and his ult speed boost, he couldn't catch her because of her insane kiting power with synergy with PD/SS MS and her Q on such a low CD.

As for playing Twitch or Quinn... I shouldn't be forced to play a certain champion just so Vayne doesn't completely snowball out of control. Its stupid.

Environmentalist1 votes

Haha... Those aren't the only two champs who counter her. Are you being real right now? He got outplayed by a champion. She happens to be good at kiting if the person playing her knows what they're doing. Honestly any champion can win vs. her as long as you know what you're doing. I can guarantee if they switched roles and that other person were Mundo with the same items and this kid was Vayne with the same items Mundo would kill Vayne. Just because he's bad at the game doesn't mean the champion is OP.

I can tell why you're silver 5 though. Sorry about your rank, bro. Have fun losing to every Vayne you see.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

Yes, that must be why Vayne is the number 1 ADC at the moment and even pros agree... that must also be why she deals more DPS than Draven and is the only ADC with a non-ultimate hard-CC besides Draven, but even then Draven only pushes them slightly to the side(and the slow, but that isn't hard CC), whereas Vayne pushes them way back and stuns if they hit a wall. Tied for most mobile ADC with Kalista, most burst with Draven and maybe Graves, almost no way to defend against her because armor and health are virtually nothing once she gets BotRK and LW... need I go on?

Environmentalist1 votes

I'd really prefer if you didn't go on. If you're so worried about her stun, don't position yourself near a wall. duhuh. There are ways to counter every champ. Vayne is ez to counter. Like I said above, have fun losing to every Vayne you see because you're too busy crying instead of learning how to play vs. her. Good day.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

She has her Q to get in position to stun you. And there's almost no way not to be near a wall in this game. You have to be in pretty much the very middle of a lane or else there's a risk she'll condemn you.

I try to learn how to play against Vayne, when I play against her I try new tactics. I've found harassing early is a good way to get lane dominant. Heck, I've done that before and gotten 2 kills off of her then suddenly come mid game, she gets a triple kill and literally starts 3 shotting. Come late game she even 2-shot me with her Statikk Shiv proc taking me down to like 30% health before she would end me with her next, meanwhile I, Tristana, who was going like 6/3/6, couldn't even kill her in 5 hits nor did I have enough time to lifesteal the health I needed to survive a little longer, because I'd need to get to about 50% health to survive her W proc or late-game damage.

Give me a serious way to beat her that isn't sending 4 people after her so we can kill her and she at least not get a kill.

Archon X2 votes

frozen heart counters vayne deal with it

VIT Cabochard2 votes

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frozen heart counters vayne deal with it

It doesn't because she will just shred you still since you have very little hp and she can just keep kiting.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

brb building frozen heart on Draven hm seems he still can't 1v1 her

Archon X2 votes

why would a marksman want to 1v1 someone?

Shroom Junkie1 votes

Oh, shut up. Dipwad you know exactly what I mean.

Archon X1 votes

no I'm saying if Vayne can 1v1 people, then don't 1v1 her? Fight with your support or jungler who has Frozen Heart? Tactics dude.

Shroom Junkie2 votes

Vaynes win 2v1's and 3v1's frequently without even being fed. Why am I expected to send 4 people out to beat one person? This isn't balanced this is stupid.

khorney2 votes

nothing really counters vayne which is the problem sure mal and rammus counter her becuase if mal has frozen heart and rand omen her attacks are beyond slow,

JustMyBassCannon2 votes

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I don't care what anyone says

I guess I don't have to care what you say, either.

360D3GR3SS1 votes

"unlimited kiting true damage stealth knockback/stun" Actually has limited kiting as once any hard cc is landed onto her, her chance of survival is extremely lessened. Kalista has unlimited kiting. True damage is limited to the percents total hp. Stealth is very limited to a brief moment on tumble +ulti. Knockback/stun is on high cooldown. Most of her cancer comes from her ulti's attack damage steroid since 95% of her damage is from her auto attacks, that just massively and disproportionately enhances her.

DragoonRuin1 votes

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"unlimited kiting true damage stealth knockback/stun" Actually has limited kiting as once any hard cc is landed onto her, her chance of survival is extremely lessened. Kalista has unlimited kiting. True damage is limited to the percents total hp. Stealth is very limited to a brief moment on tumble +ulti. Knockback/stun is on high cooldown. Most of her cancer comes from her ulti's attack damage steroid since 95% of her damage is from her auto attacks, that just massively and disproportionately enhances her.

What you just said, works for EVERY champion though. Once you hit them with Hard CC, (Except GP oranges, and a few outliers), a champ cannot Kite anymore. If that's Vayne's only counterplay, then something is wrong with the champ.

The biggest problem with her kiting is, if you DO catch up with her, she'll just condemn you away, or into a wall. Or tumble further away. IF you try to run away from her, her extra movespeed keeps her able to keep up with "most" champions. Even if you use flash/Gapclosers on her, she'll just condemn you away, keep attacking, then tumble further away on her low Tumble CD.

"Counter Play" to a champion cannot be defined as "bring 2 people", or "Hard CC her", because that's true for EVERY champion.

MohawkBird1 votes

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JustMyBassCannon1 votes

Minor nerfs.

And most of the other Marksmen need buffs ranging from minor to mini-rework.

Most rational Vayne nerf would be removing the flat damage on her W. You could even increase the %HP damage by 1%, and she would still deal less damage until the target has 2000/3000/4000/5000/6000 max HP.

Other than that, any problems she has stem from BotRK being the highest-DPS Lifesteal item in the game.

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

They should give her skill ceiling,she currently requires none,plus with her kit no one except point and click CC like Vayne herself can get to her,Maokai/Vi

yukumari1 votes

I don't understand. Dr.Mundo is a very immobile tank and you're surprised she beat you? Her job is to pop tanks, and even then anks on the more mobile side do stand a chance. Vayne beating you as a tank isn't all that surprising.

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