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Talon rework incoming ??? What do talon mains want ??

Serf Master·6/24/2016, 8:27:33 PM·7 votes·6,090 views

Personally, I dont wish too much changes on his gap closer, one reason he is still not completely useless is because his E, gap closer is reliable since its a point and click gap close, that is also a blink. He does not fit into many team comps at all too. He needs buffs IMO. Champion.gg shows winrate dropping from 55 in the past to 49 currently, LOLking.com shows talon in diamond+ games has a 45% winrate.

He is currently fairly unreliable at doing his job right now since so many new champions and items counter him, such as kindred ultimate, zilean ultimate, and the overall meta.

Even challenger players go tank talon since tank items are just flat out broken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_oabLy5TnQ

A riot member has confirmed Talon is one of the top priority for rework.

Forum Link : http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/Tnfw1WW6-next-class-update-the-assassins

Statikk (Riot member) : " Unfortunately this isn't the time window yet where we can really share the directions with you guys - we're still in the midst of exploring and figuring out what makes sense. To say the least, **Talon shows a lot of promise. =) **"

What do you guys think ?

31 Comments

NostolgicSkies6/24/2016, 11:26:34 PM3 votes

perhaps just making his gap closer target friendly targest like katarinas Shunpo. always found it weird that it can only be used to get in but not used to get out. Something most asn's have the versatility to do examples being as stated katarinas shunpo, Zeds shadows, Leblancs reblink, Fizz and troll pole. kennen and lightening ball. never understood why talon was denied this feature.

Friendly Ram6/24/2016, 9:11:06 PM2 votes

Pasdive rework,w, and e changes id be good on. Ult buff would be nice. I love q state as an amazing empowered aa with semi vision.

67chrome6/24/2016, 9:26:06 PM1 votes

He is currently fairly unreliable at doing his job right now since so many new champions and items counter him, such as kindred ultimate, zilean ultimate, and the overall meta.

I'd go more with Talon being unreliable because reliability is the only balancing lever his kit really offers Riot ATM.

Talon's leap-attack outranges Caitlyn's AA range and then Talon's kit is set up to deal tons of damage in less then 1 second.

The only way to really balance Talon with that play-style is to make him weak enough such an OHKO attempt has a 50/50 shot at working in a standard game: which usually results in a huge swing between Talon being useless or amazing.

Which in turn makes him unreliable, and by extension not a strong pick in the meta due to reliability being one of the biggest driving factors behind meta-gaming.

Buffing Talon a little could easily lead to a situation where he reliably OHKOs targets fallowing a 700 range blink 80~90% of the time, leading to him just being really overpowered.

What Riot's probably looking for with Talon's rework is adding some sort of lever where Talon has some middle-ground in usefulness, being capable of offering some benefit to his team if he doesn't instantly delete someone while offering some mid-ground means to counterplay him.

Jeddite6/24/2016, 9:31:49 PM1 votes

Bring back Talon's silence. Put the silence on Talon's Q. Silence need only be 1 second (reduced by tenacity, natch) ((or something like .25/.50/.75/1.0/1.25))

Edge of Daybreak6/24/2016, 10:21:57 PM1 votes

A useful passive Dear god and whatever the hell deity you worship I dont care just call them up I want a useful passive. Atheist? Doesnt matter get your ass down here and DBZ style share your energy with riot's common sense lord knows it needs power.

SailorPsycho6/26/2016, 2:13:57 AM1 votes

Not a Talon main but I wish he still had SILENCE :( RIP FOREVER REAL TALON

Ranger Phelps8/23/2016, 7:47:35 PM1 votes

Talon does not need a rework. He meets his goals as a high risk, high reward champion. Many people claim talons passive mercy (which is a reference to mercy killing), bleed damage on Noxian Diplomacy, and his Cut Throat are useless but they are far from it. Mercy makes Noxian Diplomacy hit like a truck, Each tick of the bleed on Noxian Diplomacy applies a stack of black cleaver, increasing your damage further, and cut throat is an amazing gap closer and amplifies his damage making Noxian Diplomacy hit even harder. The only change Talon really needs is some increase to his mana regen. I've mained Talon since Season 2, and if you can't play well with his current kit, I'm sorry but you need to "Hone your skills" - MonkeyKing .

Hentai Reject8/28/2016, 4:38:33 AM1 votes

they should make him a jungler

Swifty Cards10/10/2016, 7:38:02 PM1 votes

I love talon, he is my main, and i really wish his e doesn't Change because that how i try to go for a kill, I mosty start with my e then do something to follow up in to a combow, but if it's getting changed I think his e should have lots of mobility, such as being a really fast dash or have lots of speed for amount of time to do combo or to move between lanes to roam, etc. So please roit, make talon good and don't mess him up, thank you.

Ulviat10/22/2016, 3:26:37 PM1 votes

get him a rework for fucks sake....yasuo,yi,jax,vayne,zed,kata,annie,gnar,garen and many other are curently shiting on that champ....used to main talon when i started lol back in 2012 but now it's imposible...

XT FaiZy12/24/2018, 10:28:33 AM1 votes

O think the rework was a big failure and he Needs to change back. I lost all hope for league they just ducked up bad this time

MisterHealYoGirl6/24/2016, 8:34:09 PM1 votes

I'm not a Talon main, but I always wanted more emphasis on his weapons. Blades on strings is a really cool concept, and it's sad that his kit in no way mentions or uses it. What if his E was like Nautilus' hook, or if his Q could be reactivated to yank his target closer to him (like Puppeteer)?

Sir Prepuzius12/24/2018, 10:44:59 AM1 votes

i would give him true stealth, just in case

Yosuke Apperu6/24/2016, 8:40:13 PM1 votes

The only way that they can fix the broken-ness of tank items though is to add in a new type of scaling, where defensive scalings give a champion a certain percentage(if you're a tank, you get higher percentages) To be honest I think it'd be really cool if you chose your champion, and then a paradigm for them. With ones that emphasize on Damage, Defense, and of course Utility. If you go the tanky route, you lose damage scaling, but gain increased defenses. If you go the damage route you're an actual glass cannon, can pop anything(aside from tanks) but die even easier than you do now. If you go utility, you lose out on damage and defenses, but possibly get heavier slows/cc/team based utility. I'm actually curious on the thoughts that you guys might have on this. Soo, thoughts? :)