A System That Helps Those Who Are Unlucky in Champion Select?

ArcticRaven1·May 5, 2015·6 votes·1,378 views

So I recently played a ranked game. Typical queue and people except for one person. He was mad about something that had previously happened to him but he did not allow us to know what it was or how we could help. These events i will tell you of all happened in one draft mode champ select. He, as i said before, was mad about something. He came into champ select and the first words he typed were, and I quote,"I'm just gonna feed on purpose this game." Now this was followed by, "I am done with you kids." Me and the other people on my team asked him what was wrong and if we could help and he waited till it was his pick and said, "I can't top gg." i was trying to help so i asked if he could mid. He said no, and i then asked what he could do. He replied by saying, "AFK and feed," my team was trying to make the most of this and asked him to afk. I then asked why he was acting the way he was. Him having previously called us kids i was wondering if he was acting dumb or if he was younger and poutier than we were.

   I am bronze III, I am not proud of it and i plan to try and change it. This does happen more often than it should in this ELO. I feel there should be a way to vote out of a game if the vote is 3 to 2 to leave and find another game. This would be a one team decision as only one team would have the problem, hopefully. I had to leave and lose LP in order to stop this game from happening so my team would not lose LP. If there was a system in place to exit a game and find another less people would get mad at draft mode, more people would be happy about the fact they can stop people from coming to there game and feeding or afk&#039;ing after first blood. Over all i think a system of this sort should be put in place and riot don&#039;t even try to take this and make it so both teams have to agree because you know that if one team calls for it the other team sure as I am bad is gonna say no so they can get a free win. Now that i have stated what I have to say I hope riot does see this and make the decision to add it in to there game asap.
      If riot does see this, and chooses to not implement for some reason, i would like them to post a statement here that is from someone more important than a moderator or a support staff of their site as to why they will not add it and what it is that would cause this to be a bad idea. 

                                                                                                                                                                                       Sincerely,
                                                                                                                                                                                       KnightSlayer27

39 Comments

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20153 votes

Thats actually a really good idea, i would love for this to be implemented so people have a chance to dodge those games in ranked where people troll the chat before the game even starts ruining peoples attitudes for playing with that person. Alot of people take advantage that before and after game chats are not monitored and cannot be reported about.

T RexHasLongLegsMay 5, 20151 votes

I looked at the vote and it seems most people agree with you. I would worry that the system would be used to dodge champs you don't like if it didn't restrict it to before champ select (ie sej not banned and the other team picks her, let's vote out), and if it was restricted to only available during bans but then gone once picks start, then trolls would just start raging after bans when first pick locks.

Also it could be used to enforce meta (and you can't tell me that Naut support or something weird like that wasn't at least viable before it was played in LCS) and just vote out of any game someone on your team picked a champ you didn't think was strong because they main it and practice it a lot and are better on an off meta champ than something more standard.

(Also unless you're in diamond clamping, or your promos, the little LP loss for dodge isn't that big.)

Fried NoobMay 5, 20153 votes

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you give people a free out in champ select, champ select becomes horrible for everyone. I don't know if you played during the time when dodging only gave a time penalty, but trolling was through the roof. It took a good half-hour on average to get a game because someone would get mad, pick revive/teleport eve and wait until someone decided to dodge.

Occams RaiserMay 6, 20151 votes

People say it but It hasn't been proven. They just say "abuse" and that is the end of conversation. I don't care too much about longer queue times. I just think about the 25 minutes trolls waste.

arcinexMay 5, 20152 votes

Huge wall of text and no tl;dr. No ty.

ArcticRaven1May 5, 20151 votes

Sorry I was just trying to get the info out and convey an opinion my writing wasn't amazing that is my fault.

HellioningMay 5, 20152 votes

Paragraphs are your friends, and you're not allowed to report other players on the boards. I would read your point, but I need proper formatting or my eyes bleed.

ArcticRaven1May 5, 20151 votes

Alright i heard you sorry for the wall of text and i took his name out. Sorry wasn't trying to report him.

usul1202May 5, 20152 votes

It looks good now, and is very not-ranty, which is incredibly rare for these kinds of posts. Nicely done.

ArcticRaven1May 5, 20151 votes

Thank you tried to copy sky Williams way of talking about issues

WheatloafMay 5, 20152 votes

It's a difficult topic, because it's hard to implement a system like this without some form of abuse case being present (for the one you mentioned, what's stopping people from just getting everyone in their game to vote to leave if they don't like the champ one person picked?). I think what Riot's trying to do instead, is either remove or reform as much of the toxic behavior that makes people want this sort of "vote dodge" feature in the first place. Now, we're waiting for the Tribunal to reopen (Soon™), but it's entirely possible the improvement from that will be noticeable. If that is indeed the solution Riot is going towards, a vote dodge feature is something they'd only do once they've admitted defeat trying to remove/reform toxic behavior.

ArcticRaven1May 5, 20151 votes

Everything gets abused and this is one thing that would help more than be abused

Matthias9119May 5, 20152 votes

Unfortunately, any such "vote dodge" would be widely abused for competitive reasons. For a while there was only a time penalty on dodges (no LP loss), and even that was badly abused and made Ranked all but unplayable.

Occams RaiserMay 5, 20151 votes

Riot is not concerned about abuse. They are actually afraid that a system like this would be used for the explicit purpose it was created. Its on their support page.

ArcticRaven1May 5, 20151 votes

I don't understand what you mean by that I mean feel free to posts link to that page for reference

Occams RaiserMay 5, 20151 votes

They don't want a system that protects you from trolls in liew saving LP cause it creates a bigger problem than the one it is trying to fix. I don't agree with this but that is what they say. Most people think it is because they system could be used for competitive play. That is not the case. It is on their support page under LP loss prevention in the rank faq.

ArcticRaven1May 5, 20151 votes

I feel like they need to do this or make losing not take double as much as winning gives

Occams RaiserMay 5, 20151 votes

I thought it was funny when they said they don't want to create system where one person can selflessly drop to save everyone else on the team from losing LP. Selfless? in this community? Hardy har.

Sona PingMay 7, 20151 votes

Tip: LP loss/gain isn't static.

Matthias9119May 6, 20151 votes

You're probably talking about them not being able to give "loss prevention" for AFKs or intentional feeders. That creates "inflation" of rankings that breaks the Ranked ladder over time.

Occams RaiserMay 6, 20151 votes

Yep. They created (adopted) a system that ties their hands. Trolls win as usual when someone isn't willing to go as far as the instigators.

Matthias9119May 7, 20151 votes

...whuh?

There's really no fair way to compensate for mid-game rage quits or someone who snaps and decides to give up and troll. They can't resuce just one team's losses. Reducing the gains of the other team for something they didn't do would be unfair (and, in some cases, blatantly the wrong thing to do).

I would like to see them do something about matches where someone DCs from the start. These do even out in the long run, but getting a streak of them sucks in the short term.

Occams RaiserMay 7, 20151 votes

Riot would need to force hard restrictions upon those that troll ranked. Banning them or dropping to a troll tier where they can play only with others that troll frequently. There are ways fro them to fix it but it would effect the winning side too.Since people don't care how they win, taking points away from a lop sided victory would raise a lot of complaints.

Matthias9119May 9, 20151 votes

They do ban people who get reported. Most negative behavior is from players who are normally fine but having a bad game or bad day. This is a lot harder to deal with.

They've been over "prisoner's island" before and it doesn't work well on things like negative attitude and frustration. They have talked about maybe having a "leaver's island", because that's a much more clear-cut situation.

Occams RaiserMay 9, 20151 votes

I not trying to redeem them. I looking to quarantine them. How they get off that island is up to Riot.

ChaoticPineconeMay 5, 20151 votes

its too abusable by people with unfavorable matchups, especially since only one person picks the bans.

ArcticRaven1May 5, 20151 votes

This would be a vote of a team that has to be a majority so I don't see how your point is valid one person with unfavorable match up is the average for a game and a whole team wouldn't exit cause of one persons matchup there is much counter play to these scenarios

ChaoticPineconeMay 5, 20151 votes

except if someone says "uh oh. leblanc/zed/talon/riven. gg im gonna feed super hard." its more likley the team will be willing to quit than play it through.

ArcticRaven1May 5, 20151 votes

Even then most of those people will try but will blame team for not helping them

Occams RaiserMay 5, 20151 votes

Riot has directly stated that they will not add any system that allows you to mitigate the loss of LP in any way. They feel trolling is a small part of the game that will even out over time.By the time you have played 500 or so games you will wind up where you should be. That is what they think anyway. They also have no plans on increasing the severity of punishment for offenders. Trolls have won the war and the battle. Put on the shades and deal with it. The only way you can work the system is to dodge losers when you can to keep your win\loss ratio strong. MMR is important not LP.

alohabrohaMay 5, 20151 votes

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Riot has directly stated that they will not add any system that allows you to mitigate the loss of LP in any way. They feel trolling is a small part of the game that will even out over time.By the time you have played 500 or so games you will wind up where you should be. That is what they think anyway. They also have no plans on increasing the severity of punishment for offenders. Trolls have won the war and the battle. Put on the shades and deal with it. The only way you can work the system is to dodge losers when you can to keep your win\loss ratio strong. MMR is important not LP.

That makes sense.

ArcticRaven1May 5, 20151 votes

That's the problem it's not a small part of the game it's a large part but they don't see it cuz they don't look at many gold and lower elo games. It is a large part I've gotten banned because there are so many trolls so I have to leave or lose elo after a 20 minute long game.

Occams RaiserMay 5, 20151 votes

Indeed. I don't agree with them. They don't calculate the numbers as we do. They don't count trolls and afk's as toxic players. They only count verbal abuse. Leave buster gets the afk. If automation can't catch it and it isn't cussing or threatening, you are wasting your time, bub.

ArcticRaven1May 5, 20151 votes

I think an alternative to this is a system that allows you to report in champ select

Occams RaiserMay 5, 20151 votes

I think that would make people shut their mouths and wait for the game to start before they began to troll. Getting rid of trolls really just comes down to dropping the hammer on fool. If you look at someone's last fifty games and looked for patterns of behavior that were considered trolling you could begin to judge when someone is starting to screw up. They count all your games and consider the average of how much you have trolled through out. They have created a system maximum leniency.

TheTurboedSlothMay 5, 20151 votes

GOOD AND BAD

The problem i see coming out of this is if anyone picks something totally out of meta or its not a good team comp someone will vote it, the other problem being if they wanted REALLY troll you they would just wait until in game to really start trolling and ruining your game and throwing away your precious LP's

Sloth Shen

DedriusMay 5, 20151 votes

This system would be abused a lot. "man we really got outpicked this time and this game will be really tough, lets dodge this one guys"

This is the problem that usually is brought up when people give this idea.

BrothaMay 5, 20151 votes

Haha I do that all the time in ranked on my other account. Usually if someone is rude in champ select first though.

KonidiasMay 5, 20151 votes

Voting people out in champ select is not the answer. The real answer is reducing the amount of these types of people in the first place.

Many people don't choose to troll/feed intentionally. It happens due to the game screwing them over too much in too short a time.

I've had extremely bad losing streaks that weren't even my fault, and believe me I have gone into games extremely angry and ready to give up before the match even starts. You just get defeated and don't care anymore... but you can't stop playing either... so what happens instead is you go into games expecting your team to suck, and so you just figure "might as well just troll instead"

Because sometimes this game is so frustrating to play that I think I'd rather be trolling it than actually trying to win in ranked. At least I'd get some fun out of a match that way. I get no fun out of being grouped with 4 people who have 50 IQ combined and all have huge egos and refuse to work together or listen to anyone. Over and over, game after game, loss after loss. At some point you just snap.