So why should i gank when a farming Shyvana just hardcarried her team like no sweat at all

noskilljustlove·4/12/2017, 1:27:02 AM·1 votes·593 views

Made my team win every lane, Then i saw a 150 farm Shyvana emerge at 15 minutes, She was even 0/2 and decided to push every lane and take every objective like it was no ones business, I was 4/1 and did not dare to get close because she was so ahead in levels and farm it was ridiculous, This was the most frustrating thing ever, We were winning team fights in the end but the damage was done, We were eventually overrun by minions from all that pressure.

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xJLx MCHammer4/12/2017, 1:35:18 AM7 votes

As a player who tends to play Shyvana, no no no no.

Shyvana only works if all the lanes somehow end up winning without her help. She can't really gank. All she does is run into a lane and hope that her laners have CC in order for her to dmg. If you consider her a good ganker, i guess any other champion would be considered better than her. Her only cliche is farming and it's not even good anymore. They nerfed the passive damage her W did to minions. Her W was also nerfed so she can use it tot move from one jungle camp to the other. Her passive which helped her farm was also removed. More importantly, she used to be even more deadly when jungle exp was more and there was counter jungle items that she can use.

Can she farm? Sure! But so can Yi, Xin, and various other junglers. In fact, her jungle clear only kick in faster level 7.

So yeah, if Shyvana emerged out jungle to be so strong despite you snowballing lanes, it was not her that decide the game. It was probably another factor that you neglected to tell us

Kilanost4/12/2017, 2:00:36 AM2 votes

If the shyvanna came out and did all that, #1 your teammate wasn't managing your lanes properly before grouping and #2 your team didn't do anything with the lead you had #3 If she had that much farm, you were letting her farm your jungle for free (I just looked and shyvanna farmed YOUR jungle 2x more than you did).

Also, that build.. You had no real front line. They had a malphite. Your cait was fed as fuck but you didn't build to defend her. I mean, the only person who even had MR was your support which means malphite engaging by itself was probably taking you down to 60% health.

RenownedWheat424/12/2017, 1:46:41 AM1 votes

Didn't go down like you said it did and I can see all that by just lookin' at your match history. :)

PlsCheckThisBush4/12/2017, 1:50:39 AM1 votes

Shyvana is a typical melee-duelist. She doesn't bring much to the table besides being able to farm the jungle REALLY well - however a LOT of other junglers do this as well. Hell even Braum with a Cinderhulk can farm the jungle decent. If she tries to gank you, you can just walk away. Unless you stand there trading autos with her, the W will run out rather quickly, and she won't be able to get any resets on Q, much less make use of the bonus damage on E. She can be a fairly-beefy frontline with Cinderhulk and can still provide rather decent damage with a BotRK/Titanic Hydra, however aside from diving in with Dragon Form she has no real way of closing the gap and can only sit there hoping you turn and face her. She's not a super-tank, and doesn't provide safe carry-esque damage, so she's a very niche pick. As people have said above, it wasn't her that decided the game (provided the enemy team had a jungler that actually did something). Sure if you let her right-click you to death she will win, however she thrives on counter-jungling and being able to powerfarm really well. If she goes lane to lane just to tax, the enemy team will be FAR weaker and it's pretty much a 1v9 for her at that point.

I've played against many Shyvanas, and 90% of the time it's them powerfarming and flaming their team for being "garbage" whilst I ganked the lanes consistently and was able to get them ahead, which puts further pressure on her as she desperately needs farm to be relevant. Rek'Sai can rush level 3, gank, grab a Tiamat, and be able to keep up with Shyvana's farming, whilst having more sustain and still being relevant to the entire map.