Now that ziggs adc, malz "support" and redemption OP-ness is over, I find the role to be quite...
Healthy!
I can play most supports without being harshly punished even if it's not a very meta support. Of course, I speak for the High silver/Low gold elo. So eh.. Good job rito!
Ps: Before someone points out how ignorant I am, I just want to say I speak for myself. I just feel comfortable in this specific role once again. :D
"Over"
Not sure how any of those things are over...
Ziggs is getting MORE popular, not less (because pros in multiple regions are actually playing it more so, not less, which means those who just copy pros, are seeing it is not terrible, and stepping out of their comfort zone).
Malz support is far from "over".
Redemption is basically a go to support item now.
Unless you mean "over" like a wrestling term of "that guy is over with the crowd", you are smoking something.
Glad you are having fun, just saying, your viewpoint on why really really confuses me.
It would be like you telling me "Ya know, the earth is round" and I would go, yeah I guess it I-" then you cutting me off to say it is because of all the coffee you drank this morning and I would just look at you funny and try to figure out what you are going on about.
For starters ziggs never was a adc. Merely a mage going bot like Morde, no the same thing. 2 malz was never op or busted I'm mad people stole my idea for it, I was doing it back when he go reworked and it's okay now because they nerfed his w and with that malz can't go anywhere.
I feel like its improved, but itemization needs some serious looking at AGAIN and we mostly only every see Jhin and Cait in the bot lane
Redemption's still op...
I'm happy for you.
The only three problems I currently have with the Support role is Mage Supports, the Redemption+Locket requirement, and that four of our item slots are reserved (but that's part of the Redemption+Locket point, so fix one and you'll fix the other). These are just minor annoyances for me, at least. If they fixed them the Support role would be awesome, but it's not that they have to fix them right away. So yeah, it's like you said: Good job rito!
Yeah, but the standard supports feel weaker...
Oh golly, I didn't expect so many responses on this thread!
Just to clarify, this is my opinion. I'm well aware the state of the support role is not "perfect" but the same can be said about all the other roles. Like the state of the adc role atm or the constant fight between op control mages mid vs op ad assassins mid and let's not even get started with the jungle... And eh for top... I really don't know maybe something about the rift herald.
All I meant with my post is just that It feels less frustrating playing support atm then it was a couple months back.
And honestly, the itemization problem for supports is as old as the game. The old solari also was often a must buy and at least they changed the ward items in recent history. That I'm grateful for!
Thank you for all your comments though!
Oh I'm not saying that they where op or anything like that, more like they where annoying to deal with.
Nah Ziggs was fine. Lethality broke botlane, and poor balance concerning AP mages going bot. (They could just have nerfed base damage and increased ratios)
Well...
They should work more on some support items (fucking Zeke passive proc being way too situationnal), and i still want a way to damage turrets by myself when my team thinks blue buff > gromp > turrets, but overall it's fine.
Ziggs is annoying, but can be all-inned or counter pushed.
Zyra has been nerfed enough now that her plants won't autotarget you without effort.
Malz has always been counterplay-friendly (poke the shield from afar, bait the voids then run-away, all-in the purple target).
And i still manage to win my games without rushing redemption / solari on absolutly everything.
