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OVERSHOT THE NIDALEE NERF

onetricknida··6 votes·1,214 views

Let's talk about what each of these nerfs do to nidalee and let's see what riot was thinking. "Q - Javelin Toss CAST TIME 0.125 seconds ⇒ 0.25 seconds SPEAR DAMAGE 50/75/100/125/150 ⇒ 50/70/90/110/130 MAXIMUM SPEAR DAMAGE 150/225/300/375/450 ⇒ 150/210/270/330/390"

ps. Nidalee is a champ, like all other champions, how good was she late game when the entire team had tons of movement speed items and magic resist like banshees veil? not very. Can nidalee be played competively or at high elos anymore? not really

Alright, imagine the scenario: High elo players that dodge nidalee spears with ease. A team fight is about to happen mid, your team can't hard engage and you're a poke comp. Landing consistent spears pre-nerf was hard enough before a team fight, now her cast time is increased so you can't throw the spears with the same timing that nidalee players could once do. "SPEAR DAMAGE 50/75/100/125/150 ⇒ 50/70/90/110/130," and the maximum spear damage nerf... alright so resume back to the team fight. You're missing all your spears, it's an even game and the other team simply has to hard engage before you land some slow ass weak damage spears. Wow, if your team isn't tanky and cc-oriented, your team is dead if they hard engage right? I'll just go into cougar when they engage then get 1 shot from their team's aoe! Oops I'm dead. Unless i built tanky...(tanky nidalee?)

HIGH ELO PLAYERS DODGE NIDALEE SPEARS WITH EASE(OH NO NIDALEE FOR HIGH ELO!)

Quote from riot, "Tossing massive Javelins and stalking the weak is most certainly a hallmark of Nidalee's playstyle, but the number of tools she has to choose her engagements leaves her opponents without much of a say. These changes continue to pressure Nidalee to really commit with cougar-form takedowns, instead of constantly fishing with poke from afar." This is Riot's idea. remove her potency with spears so that players focus on killing players in cougar form. Oh, I thought that pre-nerf when I would team fight it would be risky to go in cougar form if your team is getting hard engaged. OHHH, it's because it is. Wow now we say goodbye to pure ap nidalee builds and we're building athene's, roa, zhonya to stay tanky so that you don't get 1 shot by the enemies aoe. Weird, now nidalee is left with less damage with this build and they lowered her spear damage and utility! HOW WEAK CAN YOU GET NIDALEE.

Speed of gameplay is my next topic of the nerf. "CAST TIME 0.125 seconds ⇒ 0.25 seconds." Alright, so let me draw a comparison for you guys mentally. I'm throwing nidalee spears while kiting back kind of. Oh for some reason nidalee feels slower... oh! it's because of her increase q cast time! So now i'm like an adc trying to kite who has no attack speed items. You guys like that comparison? Well think about it. If this one aspect of nidalee is nerfed, nidalee speed of gameplay is cut down significantly. So now my nidalee is like a slow ass cho'gath with pounce and who can't switch from cougar form to human form throwing spears nearly as fast. Don't get me wrong I understand riots intentions with the nerf since she was pretty broken, i literally never lost lane with her until today when I queued up after the patch lmao.

Thank God they left her heal alone, but her bushwack vision range? You have to put the trap on top of the player literally to see them in fog of war. Traps were so useful for their damage and resist lowering(not). Now the main use of her trap to get vision is non-existent.

Players of League who read this, your comments filled with rage "SHE DESERVED ALL THE NERF" and "NOW SHE'S PERFECTLY BALANCED!" I mean come on, she sucks now lol, late game when she fell off WHERE PEOPLE BUILD MAGIC RESIST AND BANSHEE'S VEILS. how much damage are your spears going to do then, and when they're almost impossible late game when everyone has fully upgraded boots and aura upgrades. now she's fallen off a damn cliff haha. Don't take this as a biased complaint by a player that loves nidalee but more of an objective analysis of the changes to nidalee. Because I was bored of nidalee anyways I could care less, but I feel wrong sitting and watching Riot completely render a champ useless. Thanks!

11 Comments

Blif4 votes

Yeah i'd have to agree, they definitely overshot the nerf. She needed one but not such a harsh nerf, now in higher tiers or even mid tiers she is useless. When the enemy builds into late game, spears won't even be doing damage because of aura items like locket, fully upgraded boots so that spear dodging is easy, and mr items like banshees veil. I really see no more competitive play with nidalee after this patch. Nice to see a skilled player finally discuss the changes to nidalee

Knight SoIaire 3 votes

ps. this isn't for players who are going to complain about "nidalee spear damage op", because if you're getting hit by them enough to say that, then you're probably gold silver or bronze.

made me laugh

if you are getting hit by them it means you just were unlucky ... nidaele spamms free poke and doesnt even aim all of nidaeles late game power comes from pure luck

there are cases where you just cant dodge it ... but those are rare

onetricknida2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hagane No Arashi,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iyo831HE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-08-06T16:52:44.626+0000)

made me laugh

if you are getting hit by them it means you just were unlucky ... nidaele spamms free poke and doesnt even aim all of nidaeles late game power comes from pure luck

Pure luck? Okay I admit I hit over 50% of my spears on average throughout a single game. Now I hit about 20% with the increased cast time lmao.

GinsengCho3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hagane No Arashi,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iyo831HE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-08-06T16:52:44.626+0000)

made me laugh

if you are getting hit by them it means you just were unlucky ... nidaele spamms free poke and doesnt even aim all of nidaeles late game power comes from pure luck

there are cases where you just cant dodge it ... but those are rare

If you are getting hit by them, then try standing behind minions, or walking to the side when you see a slow ass spear lmao. You probably don't even play nidalee enough to truly understand this post

DJ Di03 votes

They could have at least buffed her base ad back up, or revert the trap damage type from flat back to %hp.

I still liked playing Mid Nidalee but there is basically no reason to now.

Voidgolem2 votes

we really needed two topics for you to be wrong in.

LoLKiru1 votes

I will definitely be the first to admit that they really overshot the nerfs. I have ALWAYS hated Nidalee, simply because she never needs to commit to a fight (infact with how squishy she is, commiting is often one of the worst things you can do)

Her spear damage lategame is (relatively) comparable to getting hit by Xerath's Q, you'll lose anywhere from 10 to 70% of your health depending on how squishy you are (or how tanky on the lower end), similar cooldowns as well; the difference is if Xerath gets caught, he's PROBABLY going to die. Nidalee however can simply shift into cougar form and leap away unless shes instantly locked down (her heals also exaggerate the issue more by making it impossible to trade poke with her).

I don't want my post to devolve into a simple "I hate nidalee please nerf the cat" post though, that said I simply don't find that level of safety healthy in the slightest (especially since while her spears are relatively easy to dodge, all she needs to do is land ONE on the right person)

TL;DR: I hate Nidalee's lack of commitment, even though that same lack of needing to commit was basically the only thing keeping her from getting destroyed.

onetricknida1 votes

{quoted}

I will definitely be the first to admit that they really overshot the nerfs. I have ALWAYS hated Nidalee, simply because she never needs to commit to a fight (infact with how squishy she is, commiting is often one of the worst things you can do)

In late game team fights, if your team isn't as strong as the other team's and they have built tanky, then nidalee has to commit to do any relevant damage

onetricknida1 votes

sad overshoot

General Murica1 votes

Err

More MR means that nerfs are less impactfull, rofl. Low elo.

Pikacat1 votes

Nidalee has been nerfed so hard lately that it's gotten insanely unrewarding to lane with her. She's such a high skill champ since none of her abilities are autoed like Ryze or Teemo or GP or gosh darn it, countless other champs. For her to execute, it demands that she throws herself into the fray for a reward which is getting to be less and less at this point since she's so squishie and honestly all she can do is kite which she can't even do well anymore because of her lagged spear throws. With her spear's hit box already so thin to add another delay in the time for the spear to actually activate is insane, I'm not even going to comment on the unnecessary power drop. She just feels handicapped now and why reduce vision on the traps? Why is that even necessary? I'm just salty that a already difficult champ is being scaled to a even less viable stage.

I main nidalee, I adore her, everything about her and even how difficult she is I just take with stride. But with such a lack in cc for the team along with these often and painful handicap I might have to switch to another player cause it just feels like a chore to play her when the odds are stacked so heavily against me. I can't out skill my lane any more if it's my own champion that I need to overcome before even facing my enemy laner.

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