I miss the old days where he could actually carry a team. Instead now he is a simple CC bot that relies 100% on your team to do anything. The worst of it all is that his old ult had so many purposes, while the current ult feels like a glorified hook
Give his W the scaling ratio back and I'd say we're about golden. Seriously, why the hell did Riot remove his ability to chunk down other tank carries? It was such an arbitrary nerf.
new zac is literally a cc bot that does nothing without his team and even playing him feels clunky compared to old zac, him being a cc bot also makes him nearly impossible to be in a good spot due to the nature of cc
Well, a lot of tanks that had ability to deal some dmg just get nerfed, tanks had better ap/ad ratio on spells. I miss old maokai, I liked his old kit more than the new one. He just get new cc on ult, but he lost his 1v1 dmg, due to w nerf and instead hp% dmg is on e now which is useless, he may be immortal now but, u wont kill anyone with him. Riot changed every tank just to be a cc bot reliable on team, even sion get nerfed hard on his q and e. I liked to have a choice to go for example mixed ap/tank maokai or zac to deal more dmg while I saw my team is struggling and do nothing. I was able to deal dmg and carry mid game for example while i had the kills. Now i just deal cc, do 0 dmg and if my team is behind its actually gg because they are dealing 0 dmg too. Maybe it works on pro play, but on solo que its just tragic, because u really cant rely on your team. The fun fact is, that for example kha is invading your jungle and u get rekt, because u deal no dmg, and u arent even tanky enough to do something. I think that in the current stage of game, tanks should get a bit early game buff on dmg, that would help them get tanky faster in mid game. Even if there is no conqueror 20% true dmg and IE, there are still just too many champions now that deals true dmg or %hp that shred u like butter in any stage of game. Tank is like the worst role now to play on solo que. Its just better to take assassin that kills your entire backlane or bruiser that ends with almost 4k hp, deals more dmg and often have cc comparable to tanks.
Zac is much better in his current state. His Q is leagues ahead of the old Q, the CC potential is massive, W and E are basically the same and his ulti is much better. Its not a glorified hook, if you get a good ult its like if you summoned 3 or 4 lee sins at the back of the enemy team kicking them into your team while they are disabled.
Calling for a revert is excessive.
Reworked Q is miles ahead of the old one, and new R creates a lot of interesting gameplay.
There is a slight problem with it, though. New Zac can go from utterly useless to broken OP depending on wether he's allowed a guaranteed R by hitting E.
Immediately after his rework balance was sloppy for this exact reason. He released with a nerfed E knockup which gave opponets time to evade his ult but made him completely worthless. Then he was given back his old E knockup duration and became straight up impossible to deal with because getting hit by Zac E was a death sentence. So riot found a middle ground by making his E unreliable by signaling it early for opponents. You get it by it you die, but you're not hit as often.
My suggestion here is making his kidnap windup higher, so that enemies can evade it, and Zac must find the correct situation to actually charge it up, since it's such a powerful tool. But if the wind up is not completed (or if R is insta-cast), then Zac just does his old ult, which was loved to death by every pre-rework Zac player.
At least can we have an answer from RIOT??
Why rengar’s and leblanc’s communities were heard and we are not?
We have been asking from a revert since rework and no one from RIot has answered.
Welcome to pretty much all old tanks now. CC bots that can't really carry /:
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have been fun for me because they can actually get stuff done by themselves. Zac is one of those lcs/flex que picks only, which I think is fine. His damage sucks wayyyy too hard now. I do miss ap spellvamp zac tho. And all the people who would tell me there's no reason to go spell vamp zac because his passive already heals him. Good days, good days u.u
Tanks meant to CC enemy and hold as much as possible damage on themselves, to open a door to carries to deal damage, right? So why tanks also should melt the enemy? I mean, then why Varus can't get +10 armor and magic resist per level for example?
I miss the AP %damage bruiser he was. Zac used to be what Aatrox wishes he was. You bop in, fuck people's plans up, do some damage, maybe die, but it's ok, you had passive and your team hopefully defends you. He was so well balanced. Now he can't fend for himself like every other top jungler, and his support game is laughable compared to the nukers with ranged cc like Brand, Zyra and Vel'koz. You also won't do any damage vs a bot lane running Soraka, Sona, Janna, Lulu, or Nami.
I'm sure Zac has applications in organized team play with the .00000001% of players (pros), but in general and solo Q (where the playerbase lives) he's a failure.
I think a lot of champions that were given a Rework regardless of what size need a revert as well
Because in my opinion most of the mentioned champions felt a lot more satisfying to play back then, and were generally a lot better in terms of healthiness.
Yes
New Zac caused me to uninstall league because he’s boring to play. I went from being a “secret weapon” like the lore says he is, to a support that roams through jungle running away from any invader because Zac loses every 1v1. Go play and see what happens when you get invaded level 2 with just your q and w up. Let me know if your mid comes to your rescue, or ignores you for that sweet canon minion.
Unfortunately, Zac can't have his old ultimate back because it was already given to 
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I miss it too.
He needs a full revert tbh. Only change they should keep is his voice cracking.
The problem is they likely won't considering they'd have to animate SKT Zac for the old ult and I think the old Q as well, and the time it took for them to make the SKT skins could relate to the fact he was being reworked and they had to come up with new animations then.
His old ult was way more impactful (because everybody in high mmr evades that shit and splits up the second they see him) and while his old Q was kinda shitty, the new one I think adds too much unnecessary utility to his kit that makes him harder to balance around. There's a reason he was release with just utility in his screen length E, it was his power budget, now they have his Q to account for.
I like new 
old zac ult was so bullshit. Wouldn't mind them scaling his ap ratios or something but he be so op if they revert him.
At this point it's not a revert it's a rework.
I at least want his old ult back. The new one doesn't really feel bouncy at all, I can live with the new Q though.
I have 1 million points on Zac and play only Zac!
Currently spamming normal mode games for the sole purpose of finding the perfect way of playing him; honestly, it's the only thing that motivates me to play the game. Right now I'm liking the support role with early 40% CDr full tank build with a lot of roaming!
My thoughts: Zac is strong if played right, weak as an engager vs teams with champion that interrupt his E. I like the rework; however, Zac's kit is in very chaotic(bad) situation, because he:
Very reliant on his ultimate. E>Q, then what? Not to mention it's really hard to land E on a moving target who's so far away.
What buffs does Zac need?: Option 1 (preferably) E: Change CC duration from 0.5 - 1, to 1 seconds. Q: Reduce level 1 cooldown, and make it so that it starts the countdown after the first Q.
Option 2 Add to his passive Banshee's Veil passive, a spell shield; barrier-bubbles generated from blobs. Either for every X amount of blobs he picks(that's how cells work, random special cells like cancer might appear in the process of duplicating), or in 40 CD.
Regardless of the options, a buff to his armor and +5 MS(mainly in order to make connecting Q2 and picking blobs easier) would be nice, as you can see in pro plays, Zac gets punished and melted to death for missing E.
Pls revert zac. not the most mastery points but pls. :( i used to be called Blobcraft because i loved Zac. Now my Last Played Date for Zac is 7.3.18 (Thats March 7th 2018) so more then a year ago.
New Zac is unfun and unflexible (despite his appearance :( )
