What is a "Boring" or "Toxic" Playstyle?

TyrekGoldenspear··14 votes·1,695 views

Soraka . Garen . Pantheon . Nasus . Riven . LeeSin . Vladimir .

We've all seen champs like these. Champs deemed "one dimensional" and "toxic when strong".

Soraka with her infinite heals. The famous unkillable Vlad. The AFK farmer Nasus who wants nothing more than another stack.

Well my question to you is...

#Why are these champs deemed toxic?

Well it seems to be obvious. Nasus with his "don't touch me and I won't touch you" playstyle of ignoring his laner (Inser Quasus joke here) and farming up enough stacks to oneshot towers.

Soraka and her famous ability to erase her ADC's damage while you're stuck with lowered health pools.

Garen and his hit and run bush tactics.

Pantheon and his spear spam.

The thing they seem to have in common is that they all revolve around pressing one button, or combination of buttons, to perform an action and then nothing else. All of them have tools to avoid conflict or effectively erase your progress, and/or turn it any fight in their favor very quickly should you decide to fight them.

Well I believe that League is supposed to be a game that supports diverse playstyles.

Not everybody wants to play a high-octane Riven or Yasuo every game and try to outplay everybody.

Some people just want to chill and farm their stacks or in my case, heal up my laner.

This game can become very stressful for a lot of people, and these champions are for lack of a better word, a stress reliever. They don't need you to be a mechanical god to enjoy the game, and that's what I like about them. I don't play all these champs, but I have no ill will towards their mains.

#"But why bother playing a champ that can do a bunch of outplay if I can grab one of these brainless champs and do it with a single keypress?" I hear you say. But take this perspective.

Annie can stun you from a range with one button correct? Another champ with a stun but on a combination is Brand.

They both can stun you, but Brand's stun is more conditional SO it's more free. Brand can stun from much farther than Annie, and he has overall less guaranteed burst, but more potential burst. This is what it boils down to. The champs that have it "easy" usually have a gate on their abilities, usually range. Pantheon has a point and click stun, but he has to jump at you in melee range to use it. He's usually built squishy so he's dunzo if he's 1v2ing. His passive shield is there to give him an incentive to bother diving in, but it isn't unbreachable.

#"But X champion has a boring playstyle and should be reworked to be more engaging!"

Not exactly. Remember, you may find this champ boring, and may like champs that need more button presses and tactical thinking. But not everybody is you; the people who want to chill and play need a champion that fits their playstyle as well.

League of Legends wouldn't be so diverse if all the champs were one way or another.

#"X champion is too passive! Sustain and lack of trading interaction is toxic!"

Again, not necessarily. The passive and noninteractive playstyle would be unbearably boring to somebody who loves to fight, but the passive players need their champs too.

It works like this.

Passive + aggressive = Aggressive gets bored and calls Passive champ toxic.

Aggressive + aggressive = fun lane for both parties. (insert rangeed top joke here)

Passive + Passive = chill buddy lanes, rare but a nice sight to see.

The issue here is that we need to give the aggro champs something to do while the passive players do their thing. An issue happens when the aggro champ wants to roam to find action elsewhere, but they can't because their passive laner will push like a madman if they leave, so they are essentially stuck in a laning phase lovingly dubbed "Farm Simulator 2016" with only the passive laner having a good time.

Another thing is that if either side is too strong then balance issues arise.

If aggro is too strong then the passive laners feel like they can't play with the constant towerdives.

If passive is too strong then the aggro feels cheated because the passive champ will suddenly turn into an aggro champ stronger than them, and when the situation isn't in their favor they will turn back into a passive laner and be untouchable. Enter the infamous "stat stick" champs, which all the "toxic" champions are doomed to become if they become too strong.

We need to find a proper balance between these two so that toplane will be great again, but this isn't the point of this thread so I'll leave it here.

#Let's talk about sustain

Specifically in botlane. People usually consider Soraka toxic for the reasons I mentioned above.

If too strong she creates a passive environment where she controls aggro in the lane. If her ADC is aggro, they can run over their opponents with Soraka staying behind to keep them topped off. If she has a farm ADC then she can make sure that they essentially never die, especially if that ADC is slippery like Ezreal.

However, not everybody wants a high octane botlane full of fighting. These people (and people who abuse the fact that her opponents want to go aggro regardless of Raka's presence) play Soraka for various reasons, however her dedicated mains simply love her playstyle, and I wouldn't want to deprive them of their favorite champion just because some people don't like her healing. I agree she should be balanced however, and she definitely isn't strong unless she's in the right hands. However a lot of her strength is played up simply because everybody seems to want to fight, and this is what she punishes the most.

League is a objective focused game, not a kill focused one. Games can be won without a single drop of blood being shed.

However it is invariable that you will face a passive laner if you are an aggro kind of person;

#So I will give you a free PSA on how to deal with "farmlanes"

Step 1. Farm. That's it. If you can't get gold from them then get gold off of minions. You will become fed if you have the highest CS, but it's more of being stealth fed, since most people judge by KDA on whether they should fight you.

Step 2. Zone off the passive laner from farm. If you can shove them to their tower then do so. (Unless you're up against Nasus, in which case keep him shoved up and vulnerable to ganks.) This way you can roam and cause mayhem elsewhere.

Step 3. If facing Raka, get the anti-banana item. item 3123 You will magically remove Soraka from the laning phase. The enemy ADC out-trading yours shouldn't matter because if you're the support you should help your ADC fight theirs. It will be a 2v2 botlane fight like you want, only difference is that the enemy support is gimped without you needing to use summoner 3. It builds into item 3033 so you will continue to make Raka have to work harder than she should the rest of the game.

Step 4. Understand that you don't have to fight all the time. This is an objective based game. Remember that your goal is to make it to their nexus and kill it. Do what you can to make sure towers fall, not to kill somebody X number of times.

Step 5. Know that your bloodlust will be sated once midgame rolls around. Long story short if your laner wants to stay top then let them. Take another objective with your team while the enemy complains about their Nasus always staying top and stacking.

#TL;DR Playstyles are not inherently "toxic". They are just different. Everybody shouldn't have to be a mechanical god to enjoy the game, and balancing should keep them in line to prevent them from being broken if they have the capacity to be so. Let the chill players have their champions and don't bash them just because they don't want to fight you every 3 seconds.

30 Comments

Ralanr6 votes

Any playstyle is fine and dandy as long as it has weaknesses to be exploited. Outright removing those weaknesses is what usually leads to a problem.

No crit tank Yasuo is a prime example of this as is Thornmail's purpose. IMO anyway.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Agreed.

I thought I put it in there, but I guess not lol.

Eh, I'll point people to your post for extra tidbits.

Rıots Bad Client4 votes

Blitzcrank -Misses Q, Sits back till it comes back. (useless outside his Q) Heimerdinger -Fun (I do like these champions, I just think they can become unfun to play against or play) Vayne -I can 1v1 anything, You can't hit I'm Invisible, I have a self peel, what's that you're running. Let me just outrun your ass.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

That can be understandable, and while I feel that balance issues take precedent, I also don't want to stamp out any play styles that people could enjoy.

midnight oil242 votes

I know she's not considered "toxic" but I feel that people also put my main girl Tristana in the list of champs that are boring to play. True, she doesn't have any skill shots and is less exhilarating than Jinx, my second, but she takes skill to play. All her abilities have high cooldowns, so timing matters on her a lot more than on champs like Yasuo, IMO.

Just noting that even champs that are "boring" can still require skill to play.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Oh definitely. If anything they require a lot of decision making because of their linear nature they have no backup plan in case they mess up.

Take my boy Garen.

He has a very linear nature to trades. Spin2Win, Q, or the other way around, run and then heal up from the trade, rinse and repeat.

Garen doesn't like extended fights that he can't win, and decision making is needed to know when to trade, and how far to chase, becuase his chase spell is coupled with his escape spell.

People find Soraka boring to play, but she'll always be best support girl for me. Mainly because I do more than AFK spam W like Soraka player are notorious for, but I also play her when I want to chill.

Totally agreed with you there.

On an unrelated note, what was your rank last season? Only asking because I was a lowly silver last season and I don't want to pull your matchmaking MMR down when we decide to play a few games.

midnight oil241 votes

I like tahm a bit more but Soraka is my secondary support! Star child pals!

I actually haven't gotten ranked yet. This is my main account XD I've only been playing since april, and can't play non-stop. So don't worry.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Totally. The best part about playing Raka is ulting across the map to help your top laner in a clutch win against their laner, and you bag some assist gold.

Oh that makes things a lot more interesting, because I've been only playing since February, which means that our skill level is around the same. That's nice.

midnight oil241 votes

Yeah, that's pretty good that we're about the same skill level. You sound like someone who's been playing for a while, and you're one of the two beacons of sanity on these boards, the other being Ralanr. Actually just had this same discussion with him.

But it'll be good to learn alongside someone who started around the same time.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Speaking of Ralanr, I'm actually friends with him too. He's a really neat guy, been around a lot longer than I have. Only know him on the boards but he definitely fits the beacon of sanity description.

Heck all three of us could queue up together, if it's alright with him.

It would definitely take a lot of stress off of playing if we knew without a doubt that the people we were playing with wouldn't flame us for mistakes.

midnight oil241 votes

Oh, that's awesome. I'm going to be sending you guys friend requests in a minute, so we'll see what comes of it!

Just warning you that while I can push towers and all sorts of things with tristana, I'm going to have a pretty bad KDA. so sorry about that.

But it'll be cool to play with the people I use as my sanity gauges on the boards! I'm looking forward to playing with at least you.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

That's cool. I am a pretty good support. I can at the very least help you win trades and hold botlane while you farm up.

Looking foward to playing with you guys as well.

midnight oil241 votes

Yeah. I just sent the friend request, so I imagine that tomorrow or something it'll be answered, and we can play a round or two!

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Alright. Probably tomorrow evening, past 6 or something.

Ralanr1 votes

It is the weirdest thing to see people talk about me.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Same dude. Saw you and Midnight talk about me on another thread.

Felt really weird.

Nik Nikerson2 votes

Singed is the most toxic

Lauchmelder1 votes

I don't really have a problems with champions, I consider using item 3060 + item 3512 on the same lane a toxic/boring playstyle though.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

Toxic playstyle is when a champ has way too few weaknesses or none. I dont mind passive champs, high range champs, sustain champs, I just dont like when you are good at everything (Yasuo ,LeeSin ) or cant be built against (Vayne ), that ruins the experience for me. Also I dont like champions that have high mobility and arent gated by high mana costs, it is my personal opinion that they are bad for the game and should be reworked, but I know they are far too popular for that to ever happen.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

This we can agree on.

Too little weaknesses is a bad thing. However the thing is that these champs do have weaknesses. The issue is that they are not easily accessible or require a deviance from standard build paths.

Yasuo almost requires you to build item 3143, item 3047, or just bring a champ with point and click CC to shut him down, and people don't like being forced to play a champ they don't want to play to be able to win, and I sympathize.

Lee Sin's weakness is a tanky team, as he works best at taking out squishies. But most people don't want to build tanky just for Lee Sin when they are gimping the damage they need for the rest of his team, particularly if they are a carry.

Vayne's weakness is point and click CC and AOE damage, but with sufficient peel she can very easily burst her main threats and then whittle the tanks down. She got her Q buffs reverted, so perhaps its enough to tone her down.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

I am speaking as a person that mostly plays blind pick this year because of Dynamic Q bullshit, so I feel those 3 champion ruined my blind gaming experience the most this year. :D

Octavia1 votes

autofill

Catastrop1 votes

This thread needs to be stickied to the main page.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Boring and toxic playstyle that isn't fun for either player?

Sounds like reworked Malzahar to me!

Lovelle1 votes

The only champions I'm not fond of are ones like LeeSin Ahri Riven Ekko Lulu Syndra Yasuo Janna

They can punish mistakes, but are very difficult to punish in return unless the player makes a mistake with them (or you're playing someone with targeted hard CC like Annie).

They're like the polar opposite of a champ like Sion, whose entire kit can be outplayed, even when the player makes no mistakes.

Alesya3691 votes

It builds into so you will continue to make Raka have to work harder than she should the rest of the game.

GW is uncounterable, these items will make Soraka litreally useless piece of crap for the rest of the game, there is no way for her to get around GW and it impacts too much of her kit, best she can do at that point is splitpush.

World Ender1 votes

I don't really consider any champion inherently "toxic".

Boring though? Hell yeah, Soraka is literally the most snoozefest champion I've ever played.

6Sfool1 votes

You forgot Nunu

Numb3rs1 votes

you forgot Heimerdinger Singed Veigar Darius on your list

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