We should bring up Orange Essence DE values.

Busty Demoness·Dec 6, 2017·3 votes·543 views

Specifically, to a flat 35% of the original value.

The point of this change is to make it act like a reroll by disenchanting 3 skins of the same value. However, you could still legitimately reroll 3 skins of 520 and see if you get a 720 or better.

I would have suggested 33% but due to most of the skin prices not being a multiple of 3, rounding down would mean requiring a 4th skin.

Just my thoughts, as it would still be less than what we used to get (which was around 40% as I remember).

17 Comments

Therion77Dec 6, 20173 votes

Rito maketh thy money off of thy skinneths. I'm sure whatever Rito does as far as the essence is concerned is all approved by the marketing department to be the way that it is for the sake of encouraging us to pay them money.

Busty DemonessDec 6, 20171 votes

Problems with your statement in addition to what Riot has said:

Riot said skin shards are more accessible (they definitely are not any more accessible than before).
Riot also lowered the drop rates on skins (definitely making them less available)
Riot reduced the dust values for everything (makes everything less accessible)

You are suggesting that Riot is CORRECT in screwing over the player for the purposes of making more money.

Given that the dust rate was 60% before and 20% now, 35% seems like a happy median point.

Therion77Dec 6, 20171 votes

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Problems with your statement in addition to what Riot has said:

Riot said skin shards are more accessible (they definitely are not any more accessible than before).

Riot also lowered the drop rates on skins (definitely making them less available)

Riot reduced the dust values for everything (makes everything less accessible)

You are suggesting that Riot is CORRECT in screwing over the player for the purposes of making more money.

Given that the dust rate was 60% before and 20% now, 35% seems like a happy median point.

I would say that Riot is CORRECT in "screwing" over the player for the purposes of keeping their business running and their employees paid. They don't charge a subscription fee, and I'm sure they hate players like me that don't spend money, and don't whine about the fact that they don't have some fancy looking skin for every toon they play. No one forces anyone to pay money for this game, which is why I enjoy it for what it is. If you're a child or teenager without a job or money to blow, I feel bad for you. Get a job, or beg your parents for a skin or two for Christmas or your birthday.

So, Riot contradicted themselves by saying that shards are more accessible. So what? When do you ever get the skin you want for FREE anyway? I've got more Bandito Fiddlesticks skin shards than I can shake a stick at... Spare me more FREE Bandito Fiddlesticks skins. I can live without them. The system will always give you what you don't want so you finally get pissed, cave, and buy what you do.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Riot-Games-Salaries-E247538.htm

Software engineers making over $100k per year? Gotta sell a LOT of skins to make that payroll. That's a damn nice living. Riot targets "collectors," and since this is the only way the company makes money, they need to create as many skins as possible, as many champs as possible, and keep the cash flow moving since they're 1-time purchases. Their marketing department is incredibly awesome to be able to keep the cash flowing in. And all of those cosplay-lovin', Comic Con nerds that play the game always love collecting crap they don't need, so it works out for Riot. Get over it and quit yer whinin'.

It's called capitalism. Riot is going to ride the gravy train all the way to the end of the track.

Busty DemonessDec 6, 20171 votes

What makes you think Riot is strapped for cash?

Answer that, with a source, and perhaps I'll take your argument seriously.

Therion77Dec 6, 20171 votes

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What makes you think Riot is strapped for cash?

Answer that, with a source, and perhaps I'll take your argument seriously.

I never said Riot was strapped for cash. Who did? It wasn't me. They definitely don't make as much money as other companies might due to their lack of a monthly subscription fee though.

It's a sound argument you have: "BUT RIOT MAKES ENOUGH MONEY TO BE ABLE TO GIVE ME FREE STUFF!!!! WHY DON'T THEY GIVE ME MORE FREE STUFF!?!?! I WANT FREE STUFF!!!!"

The whole god damn game and 95% of its content are FREE. Do you know how HUMBLE Riot is as a company that they allow you access to BONUS content for FREE at all? They just had the Project event where you could get FREE skins (minus play time). You're just mad that you can't get what you want ... for FREE.

Yes, Riot is a huge, greedy company ... and they wants your money. Like, all of it.

Busty DemonessDec 6, 20171 votes

Then why do you defend Riot being greedy and pushing the envelope almost as much as EA?

My point is that I don't see any reason for them to cut down on what I was getting free, which was actually pretty minimal.

Therion77Dec 6, 20171 votes

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Then why do you defend Riot being greedy and pushing the envelope almost as much as EA?

My point is that I don't see any reason for them to cut down on what I was getting free, which was actually pretty minimal.

It's not my company. Riot can run their company however Riot sees fit, and my opinion, and yours, does not matter. And while they're making $$$, we're arguing about their business practices on message boards, which has little impact.

How's the weather?

ŚhunpoDec 6, 20172 votes

Riot wants money, let's leave it at that.

They've been like this for years and it's only been this year that they've realised they can just skip straight to fucking us as opposed to taking us out to dinner first.

Busty DemonessDec 6, 20171 votes

So why do people defend said practices?

ŚhunpoDec 6, 20171 votes

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So why do people defend said practices?

Most people don't. It's just that people defend Riot's business strategies because they actually believe Riot is struggling financially, which of course is completely untrue.

Busty DemonessDec 6, 20171 votes

That still amounts to defending them, and it's worse given that the idea behind said defense is veritably false.

ŻügżwängDec 6, 20171 votes

It's been brought up so often that I don't know if it's worth bringing up anymore... Maybe that's what they want.

Just wait for people to eventually give up and accept the massively downgraded system they implemented.

I'm sick of opening hextech chests to only get 780 BE. It's actually beyond ridiculous that they allowed this system to go through. I was excited for it at first since I saw how HOTS implemented their loot system, but this is a travesty.

Busty DemonessDec 6, 20171 votes

I think you mean Level Capsules, but I digress...

Riot will eventually listen if there is enough outrage and people actually speak with their wallets. That's why Dynamic Queue was moved to Flex and Solo Queue brought back. Riot lost a ton of players in Season 6 and they're only driving away more players with shitty practices.

The only reason I play this game anymore is because I love it as a game. I don't like the community and I don't like Riot. But I have to deal with them if I'm gonna play the game.

ŻügżwängDec 6, 20171 votes

Ya, whatever they want to call them. I got back into mobas when I Heroes gave me a beta invite. HOTS was ok, and it's been getting better ever since. Currently, hots is pretty decent. I got back to LOL however because league has some of the best moba gameplay... but it's not "day and night". TBH this reward system is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

Therion77Dec 6, 20171 votes

What you really mean is: "I can't afford to pay for the content that I want."

Just say it...

And you don't like the community, but here you are, interacting with the community you don't like?

Busty DemonessDec 6, 20171 votes

"I'm going to make an irrelevant claim in an attempt to invalidate the other person's argument."

If I see content I really want, I will go ahead and pay for it. Nice strawman, though.

That said, the part of the community I interact with most is exclusive to the GD sub board and it's a fragment of the entire community. As a whole, I do not play this game for the community. I still come to the boards for the portion of the community that resides within the GD sub board.

If you have any problems with what has been said here, too bad. Unless you're going to make a VALID argument as to why Orange Essence should have been reduced (which means no attacking me personally), I would prefer that you stop posting on the topic.

Therion77Dec 6, 20171 votes

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"I'm going to make an irrelevant claim in an attempt to invalidate the other person's argument."

If I see content I really want, I will go ahead and pay for it. Nice strawman, though.

That said, the part of the community I interact with most is exclusive to the GD sub board and it's a fragment of the entire community. As a whole, I do not play this game for the community. I still come to the boards for the portion of the community that resides within the GD sub board.

If you have any problems with what has been said here, too bad. Unless you're going to make a VALID argument as to why Orange Essence should have been reduced (which means no attacking me personally), I would prefer that you stop posting on the topic.

Well, Orange Essence was probably reduced so you don't get as many free skins and are therefore forced to pay for the content. The only people with VALID arguments are the nice people in the Riot marketing department. For the rest of us it's all left to speculation. No?

There's nothing to debate.

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