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How would you buff Wit's End?

Piri Sensei··1 votes·1,923 views

It is such a rare item, a good niche but that doesn't fit in much builds.

If you had to buff it, how would you do it?

Overall I think increasing the cost and give it some HP, AD or AP could help the item to see some light.

17 Comments

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

i wouldnt. is what we want is items to be niche and to have items only fit certain champs/builds?

if you over buff it then its too strong and then every one picks it over whatever became weaker

BachelorWho1 votes

Lower the maximum stacks but raise the amount of MR stolen per stack. Ultimately slightly* I crease the total MR stolen. Right now in a burst meta it simply doesn’t compete with other MR items (maw included) OR compete with AS items (BORK, rageblade)

Colton1471 votes

KogMaw Kayle would need compensation buffs.

BachelorWho5 votes

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KogMaw Kayle would need compensation buffs.

Buffing an item would require additional compensation buffs?

La Bello1 votes

literally just remove it OR combine it with Nashor's

Piri Sensei1 votes

Meh. The item is interesting though.

You can steal 30 MR at max, making the enemy more vulnerable to magic damage. That's almost true (magic) damage on a squishy ranged champion with no MR items.

BachelorWho1 votes

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Meh. The item is interesting though.

You can steal 30 MR at max, making the enemy more vulnerable to magic damage. That's almost true (magic) damage on a squishy ranged champion with no MR items.

The thing is, if any AA champion has managed hit another champion 5 times, I'm pretty sure that champ is in deep water, with or without the MR. It's very rare for two champions to be having AA slugfests like this, which is why I say the item is too slow in the current meta.

Neokilljoy1 votes

You'd have to remove/rework Guinsoo's, because on-hit items are basically not allowed to be good by themselves or they would just be broken with Guinsoo's.

Piri Sensei1 votes

I think if they increased the total cost and add 200/250 HP to it, the item could fit in more builds.

For one hit Champion, it would be better to build if you need a defensive item (especially against Magic Damage).

And this could give Wit's end a chance to be more viable on bruisers like Irelia Warwick Shyvana Shen .

What do you think of it?

Neokilljoy1 votes

I do like the idea of making wit's end a more defensively focused item.

I think an interesting idea could be to remove the damage but increase the MR stealing by a lot and give it some tank stats, so it could have a niche as a real mr shred/tank item.

That's just an idea I'm throwing out there, no idea how good that would be. But I feel like just giving it some health wouldn't be that great because I feel like Kog'maw or something would just buy it and get super annoying to try and pop, while still benefitting from its damage + guinsoo's.

Not that Kog'maw is op right now or anything, but just throwing it out there as some foresight.

Paroe1 votes

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I do like the idea of making wit's end a more defensively focused item.

I think an interesting idea could be to remove the damage but increase the MR stealing by a lot and give it some tank stats, so it could have a niche as a real mr shred/tank item.

That's just an idea I'm throwing out there, no idea how good that would be. But I feel like just giving it some health wouldn't be that great because I feel like Kog'maw or something would just buy it and get super annoying to try and pop, while still benefitting from its damage + guinsoo's.

Not that Kog'maw is op right now or anything, but just throwing it out there as some foresight.

It should stay as an onhit item, but im not sure it should stay as an anti-MR item. Why not have it build out of phage and buff the base damage to 50? 250HP, 40% ASP, 50 on hit magic damage, 25MS on hit...

Alternately you could turn it into a crit item and replace the MR with stacking crit. An item that starts at 20 crit and rises to 40% over 10 autos would be interesting to say the least. Couple it with nerfs to guinsoos so it takes 10 autos to stack IT fully.... Could have some fun times.

KlydeFrog1 votes

Well hey nashors is good and people dont seem to build it

Neokilljoy1 votes

I think the "issue" with nashor's is that it's just super niche. You could probably count the champions that can use it effectively (ap autoattackers) with one hand.

All I can really think of are Kaisa Teemo Kayle and ap Varus.

I don't really think that that's a problem though, since it is a solid item and some champions do build it.

5050BS1 votes

I think if they made it Do like 80-200 (scale with level) on next auto attack ever 2s and steal 6 MR 10 if melee up to 30 When you hit 30 stolen MR heal for 10% of damage done for 5s (45s CD) +200 HP or +40% attack speed if you have over +50% bonus attack speed

Beatrice falls1 votes

Add AP and AP ratio to it so Diana can build it

Alzon1 votes

I wish it built out of Recurve Bow, Negatron Cloak, and a Ruby Crystal so it could have less attack speed and 200 or 250 HP. Slightly less optimal for ranged, much better for melee.

Pika Fox1 votes

Increase its price a bit, have it transfer a portion of auto damage into magic damage. While this might not be the healthiest change, its the only one i can figure out for it that is thematic to the item and isnt just blatantly broken.

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