What to do when your ADC can't avoid a Blitz pull

Environmentalist·Sep 1, 2016·7 votes·3,929 views

Serious question, but what do you guys do in this sitch? Lately I've just been going to help other lanes. I've had 2 games recently now, one Lucian, one Ashe, where they actually got pulled by every pull. I understand that a pull isn't a guaranteed death, and I do try to save them, but there's only so much I can do when it's every single time.

My favourite is when they blame me for not saving them. ye, sorry I can't control your champion movements, it's prob cause I'm a bad support, silly me..

Edit: I'm not looking for champions that counter Blitz. I know how to counter Blitz, I'm just talking when I'm Nami or Lulu or whatever and this happens.

52 Comments

DrCyanideSep 1, 20169 votes

Play Tahm Kench
Stay near your ADC
If they get grabbed, eat them before they get pulled in

Bob4131Sep 1, 20165 votes

Or use Trundle 's pillar to stop the pull

Critmaster GarenSep 1, 20162 votes

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Or use 's pillar to stop the pull

i dont know why this is downvoted. if you have good reflexes, you can put a pillar between blitzcrank and the ad carry thats being grabbed.

the hook will actually stop at the pillar and dont pull him over.

LadyRenlySep 1, 20162 votes

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i dont know why this is downvoted. if you have good reflexes, you can put a pillar between blitzcrank and the ad carry thats being grabbed.

the hook will actually stop at the pillar and dont pull him over.

WHAT?! But blitz can pull people through walls...why is a pillar special O_O

Critmaster GarenSep 1, 20161 votes

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WHAT?! But blitz can pull people through walls...why is a pillar special O_O

dont know why. but it works.

GaleWinUnleashedSep 1, 20161 votes

It works because if you time it correctly, the small knock-back from the pillar cancels out the pull. You have to place the pillar so it appears as the person is passing that spot; having it already up won't do it.

EnvironmentalistSep 1, 20161 votes

Very true, and I know champs that counter Blitz pulls, but I'm talking moreso in general of when it does happen and there isn't much I can do. I don't want to play Trundle or Tahm every game ;)

Bob4131Sep 1, 20161 votes

well if it really is a major problem you just can't avoid, just ban him out

Maximum MordeSep 1, 20166 votes

Pick Morgana.

https://youtu.be/UtSI0usd4Z8

LitAFSep 1, 20165 votes

Pick morgana or thresh to counter

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 1, 20164 votes

I usually get a new adc. Or roam forcing the adc to stop being out position.

As far as protecting them if you are a tank support i will stand between blitz n the adc forcing him to focus me and if i get hooked i use it as a free engage on his adc.

EnvironmentalistSep 1, 20161 votes

True. I love playing Lulu and Nami, so that makes it tough ahah.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 1, 20161 votes

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True. I love playing Lulu and Nami, so that makes it tough ahah.

Well if blitz is picked before you select and you still choose nami well that could be an issue, i say could be cuz ill pick sona into him but i know how to play the match up. But im not standing in the way as sona. As lulu if you run a tank rune page for support and go 0-18-12 you can still pull it off just have polymorph ready to cast on enemy adc

EnvironmentalistSep 1, 20161 votes

I'm not asking for champion counters, I know how to counter blitz.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 1, 20161 votes

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I'm not asking for champion counters, I know how to counter blitz.

its all related to how to play vs blitz in lane to keep you adc from dying

EnvironmentalistSep 1, 20161 votes

k thanks so much

RcGjWO640wSep 1, 20162 votes

Pray.

EnvironmentalistSep 1, 20161 votes

haha pretty much

Kledy McKledFaceSep 1, 20162 votes

You could pick alistar and stay in front him him all the time thats scary as fu

NielarkenSep 1, 20162 votes

Try to Counter pick. Or Poke them down to a life total where they cant fight. Alistar Headbut their adc or take the hooks for them. Braum Shield and take the hooks then jump out. Janna Shield and ult if needed. Shield is on a low cd and isnt small will soak up most of the damage pre lvl 6. Karma Use your ult and shield them its on a low cd so you can do it over and over again. Poke them down so if they do start hooking they cant fight back with low amounts of hp. Leona Take the hooks then /all Ty Blitz. Morgana Black shield and take the hooks. TahmKench Eat your adc and run away. Thresh Lantern or trade hook for hook. Zilean Bomb stun or ult. Vision in bushes is also important its blitz favorite place to set up shop.

bloodybadger1Sep 2, 20161 votes

This. ^ Even though you are asking for general tips, champ specific tips are what you want when the adc is getting pulled. Why, you ask? Because you cant control the movement of your adc. You need to mirror the enemy lane and blitz provides more zone than he does damage. all tanky utility champs should be getting in front of the hook and you should tell your adc beforehand that when you are pulled to turn on either the support or the adc (usually the enemy adc). If you are squishy with damage (brand) you should get blitz below 1/2 hp before he ever lands hook by doing damage while hiding in minions (general tip) and trading after he fails hook (general tip). He lacks good defensive utility so call your jung over if they overaggro. If you are a squish healer then you need to do as much damage as possible after adc gets pulled. Tell adc (if you and him think you have enough damage to take out enemy adc) to instantly turn and start trading with enemy adc as your adc is being pulled. any cc you have should be used or zoned with and of course you should be healing asap. also go back when you lowish so they cant all in you when either of you are low (general tip) which means you and your adc should b at same time (general tip).

FizpocalypseSep 1, 20162 votes

Eh could take the hooks for them but then they bitch at you for feeding honestly its a lose lose

agbudarSep 1, 20162 votes

if they are not using minion block to prevent that from happening then they are not really adc mains. at that point it probably is a better idea to roam and help mid/jungle with stuff.

i did that with karma and hec jungle. and yknow if that adc of mine back then had simply listened to the somewhat constructive critisism we/me gave him we would have won that game.

tl;dr dont fight a lost cause mute them and help other lanes get kills

EnvironmentalistSep 1, 20161 votes

You don't need to be an adc main to play adc, but I get what you're saying. I don't flame them or anything, just curious what others do.

StephenizgodSep 1, 20162 votes

Morgana

but if you are not playing Morg you can stand in front of them and take the hooks, force the Blitz to worry about his ADC rather than getting a pull by being aggressive, or you can leave to help other lanes.

Basically if your ADC is constantly getting hit by the enemy CC or poke, there isn't much you can do other than take the hits yourself or leave them. If they were capable of dodging the abilities they would be doing so already, so no point in yelling at them to dodge. Don't get mad, don't get tilted, and don't quit. Ask yourself what you can do to help win the game, if that answer is take the hits then you start taking the hits, if it is roam to other lanes then you roam to other lanes. Don't hesitate, just do it, dilly-dallying will only prolong the problem.

FantasySniperSep 1, 20162 votes

Try your best to play passive, make them realize that you're not doing any fighting. If that doesn't work or they're already so fed they can tower dive, just leave and push mid.

MunchCrunchLunchSep 1, 20162 votes

you surrender. I've had people legitimately telling me to not ban blitzcrank. "wtf blitz crank. bronze noob" they die first blood to an invade. by end game blitz can 1v1 the adc because hes 2-3 levels ahead. the adc is 0/9. there you go. there is really. nothing you can do. in bot lane. unless you can carry from other lanes . just leave. bot lane alone. gank not to kills but for them not to lose turrets. but thats about it just keep the turrets up and focus on other lanes. if your the jungler. if your a laner focus on your lane. i stopped banning blitz because hes out of the meta now. hes played a lot less after the nerfs. which his nerfs were pretty minimal and did not change his playstyle or effectiveness.

i play blitz. i can go half the laning phase playing safe and not wasting mana. ezreal and cait for example. are hard to pull because they long ranged. especially ones with dashes like ezreal.

but i can wait for a gank. flash exh and wait for them to waste summs. and wait for another gank. hes simple yet effective

Akali is SO HOTSep 2, 20162 votes

Play Yasuo

XonraSep 2, 20162 votes

If all else fails

Mute your adcs

because step two is unfortunately

Start taking one for the team

The only thing you can do is just step in front of the hook and wait for them to whine that you can't dodge hooks. At least they won't be dead. And hey, if the Blitz is the usual ranked Blitz, he will think you aren't doing it on purpose and start targeting you instead, so win win (as long as you muted your adc first).

Mira Arya EntheSep 1, 20161 votes

Depends. Who do you support as?

EnvironmentalistSep 1, 20161 votes

Everyone, but I'm not talking counters to blitz, I'm talking in general, what to do.

Mira Arya EntheSep 1, 20161 votes

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Everyone, but I'm not talking counters to blitz, I'm talking in general, what to do.

Well it depends heavily on who you play. As Leona I stand in front of my ADC and counter engage. As Soraka I peel and heal while poking a lot to keep them more passive. As Sona I poke to keep them away, use ult to counter engage and focus on preserving the tower until mid game.

ItankyouSep 1, 20161 votes

You should be taking the pulls for him? Not that hard build health. If you leave him in lane alone with a blitz, they normally just start taking the hook on purpose and start flaming u and u lose your game because their adc is 100x fed now.

Don't ever leave your adc. If the rest of your team can't win fights by themselves then u weren't going to win anyways and u need to accept that.

You should do these two things

Help your adc.
Vision on dragon because ur jg is likely beta.

That's it, u do these two things and u still lose your game atleast you were playing the best you could.

If what u accomplish is just that your adc feeds LESS, then you have won the battle for your top laner and mid. You can come back from these types of games (just don't get frustrated when you have 4 complete idiots on ur team; try running it mid it's therapeutic and I hear this community is ok with it and the pros do it all the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCUlrLOpw6M

EnvironmentalistSep 1, 20161 votes

I stopped reading after the first sentence. I usually play Lulu or Nami. Thanks for your input.

Athenes LuluSep 1, 20161 votes

Be the bait.

It's a risky move, but when Blitz focuses on the support and away from the ADC, some smarter ADCs use that as an opportunity to do something.

Otherwise if you can counterpick, Morgana and Alistar are the best picks.

RisenDarkKnightSep 1, 20161 votes

Several options here: 1. Ban/pick blitz (he may not be that OP right now but it will make your games much less stressful) 2. Pick morgana (her E blocks grabs completely and is pretty easy to do) 3. Pick any tanky support and position yourself between blitz and your adc. You should pretty much always outrade if you get pulled except very early in the game. 4. CC the enemy adc when blitz pulls: this will prevent the enemy adc from following up on the pull so your adc should live and if you are playing a damage support you can potentially win the trade 5. Call for a jungle gank and then intentionally let blitz pull you when the jungler is about to arrive: unless you are low health or are playing sona into a high burst adc, this will nearly always work out well for you 6. Always keep the lane brushes warded. 7. If you your adc is still feeding their ass off, roam to help other lanes and support the most fed player on your team. Works best if you have a high DPS carry in another lane. 8. Push the lane: if you and your adc kill the minion wave before the enemy bot lane does there are minions for your adc to hide behind while he farms and he can back off after killing the wave. If you let blitz and his adc push on you, your adc will have to CS under tower with no minions between him and blitz which usually doesn't end well. 9. If you are playing zyra you can block hooks by making plants in the path of the skillshot. You can also just put them up to zone blitz or to allow you and your adc to hide behind. 10. Mute your adc if they start flaming you too much: it's not worth hearing some useful information to hear about how it's your fault he got pulled by blitz again. 11. Pick a carry support: this way if your adc is bad you can still kill minion waves and do teamfight damage. I recommend Zyra . As I mentioned earlier her plants double as bodyguards that tank blitz pulls.

P.S. The hook does have a high CD (18 seconds at rank 1 with no CDR I think to 8.8 rank 5 with max CDR) and a high mana cost (100) so anytime blitz does miss his pull, he is pretty much useless for a few seconds until it comes back up. Use that time to zone him and his adc off so yours can free farm. You can also engage if you are playing an aggressive support in this time, since blitz can't do much.

CerealBoxOfDoomSep 1, 20161 votes

step 1. get tanky, don't give a fuck who youre playing just do it step 2. get grabbed or piss blitz off while trying. No excuses, just chest hair step 3. proceed to kick ass, don't run just kick ass it doesn't even matter which one you target just beat that ass.

EnvironmentalistSep 1, 20162 votes

true I'll choose Chuck Norris next game.

ReikkenSep 1, 20161 votes

leave lane. go roam. you aren't going to win the game by encouraging feeding

ForgiveColourSep 1, 20161 votes

Maybe its because you provide 0 lane pressure for you adc so enemy blitz can just walk up and q. The problem is probably you if it happened mulitple times rofl

EnvironmentalistSep 1, 20161 votes

Ah yeah totally. Good point bro. Thanks so much, I realize my issue now. If you have nothing intelligent to say, well, you probably know the rest.

ForgiveColourSep 1, 20161 votes

lol k if you dont think youre a problem then youre no better than those "whiny adc" youre talking about. the problem is probably 90% you after what you said LUL

EnvironmentalistSep 1, 20161 votes

:) Thanks for the input

Into The AetherSep 1, 20161 votes

If I'm playing blitz(rare), sometimes the matchup's going so poorly that hooking the enemy ADC would result in us losing anyway.

Usually that's when you can chunk out blitz's ADC with poke or vastly superior trades.

As long as you aren't to the point where your ADC gets 100-0'd in the span of a hook+knockup, you can make it a bad engage for them if you're winning hard enough. Blitz stops doing much after the engage, and if the enemy ADC's barely hanging in you may kill them, then followup 2v1 on Blitz.

Nami's probably a little harder to pull this off on, but she is in the superior trading category of supports. Making a play off the bubble on the enemy ADC as a response to the hook is harder, but you do get full bounces out of your W when coming in to help. You'd want to make sure the enemy ADC isn't sustaining successfully, which with only Blitz+Targon as support based sustain, should be doable.

Alternately, Post-6, Nami's also a disengage support. If you can land R in such a way as to hit Blitz with one edge, and threaten whereever the enemy ADC would stand to auto with the other, often your ADC will get away. You can even try to turn this into an all-in instead of a disengage, since it's way easier to land the bubble if the enemy ADC is hit by your R's knockup. Trick to that is mostly speed, R's knockup isn't very long so you want the Q to already be traveling so they have no time to dodge.

It's not ideal, as it's an uphill battle. But you can pull some of them out. Obviously all of this works way better when the ADC can avoid hooks.

k wìxSep 1, 20161 votes

There are 3 ways to deal with Blitzcrank, when he's good enough to reliably snag someone with his hook in the laning phase. I'll list the solutions in order from best to worst.

Ward the fucking bushes and play defensively. Blitzcrank is a support champion who wants to win early, and win hard. Let me repeat the first bit, ward the bushes and play defensively. Stay behind minion waves and DO NOT let blitzcrank hook you. If he activates his speed boost to catch you, throw an ability out to make him change paths. Once the enemy has pushed you against your turret, if your JUNGLER is good, he will notice and capitalize.
CC is your ally. Stay slightly behind your ADC and save your control abilities for when he lands a hook. When this happens, your goal is to immediately CC the marksman before he/she can deal any significant damage to your own ADC. Dump your damage abilities onto the marksman and turn the whole thing into a trade. You might not win, but it makes the lane a lot closer.
Harass is another method of stopping Blitz hooks, though not nearly as effective, as blitz has quite the range. Putting damage on Blitz or the enemy marksman can make it significantly harder for him to follow the hook with damage, due to fear of being killed. Remember that Blitz has no real healing abilities, so if you can create a major life gap, hooks become infinitely safer.

Finally, as a support main, here are some champions that I like taking against Blitz. Any of these guys have a solid shot at stopping the hand of death. Annie Blitzcrank Karma Janna Leona Lulu Lux Morgana Nami Soraka TahmKench Taric Thresh Xerath Zyra

IceKingChernobogSep 1, 20161 votes

Play
Stand infront of your ADC
When blitz pulls he grabs you instead and you get a free engage

Steps can be used as Leona as well.

EnvironmentalistSep 1, 20161 votes

Not looking for champ counters to Blitz. I know how to counter him.

IceKingChernobogSep 2, 20161 votes

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Not looking for champ counters to Blitz. I know how to counter him.

Blitz's kit is old and out dated so the only thing i got to say about counter playing him is to dodge his hook....i don't know what else to say.

EnvironmentalistSep 4, 20161 votes

Like I said... I'm not sure how this is so difficult to comprehend lol. I'm NOT looking for counters to the champion Blitzcrank. I. know. how. to. counter. him.

NymzoSep 2, 20161 votes

Just throw everything that you have for saving your carry. If you can, CC the enemy carry, that will reduce the ammount of dmg that he would take in 2 vs 2.

If this is 2 vs 3 (enemy gank), you can try to save him but sometimes, it's better to leave him since you also end up getting killed.