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Understanding the ELO ladder...

Black Jesus lV··26 votes·2,459 views

Climbing the elo ladder is a hard thing to do, purely based on luck, or an entirely new skill level. Before you go off screaming about how fair it is and how i'm trash, please listen, or tell me how. Out of 20 games from gold 4 to gold 1 i can win 15/20 of those games and once I hit a cap It sets me into a downward spiral losing game after game after game till i wind . After this has happened to me several times, i've decided to do some statistics, I call it the fluctuating ladder.

On my climb I was playing with the better teammates and some of golds worst opponents. example: my 1600 to their 1500.(maybe they're going through the fluctuating ladder). To put it plain and simple, during the climb I was placed on the better team 80% of the time, once i hit a promotion series they started placing me against players much better than me, and my teammates a MUCH MUCH lower mmr and MUCH MUCH more toxic, than where I was BEFORE promotions. Its a test (one you won't win as a simple league player like me). I play for a solid 4+ hours a day, and in comparison I honestly CAN say it was my team due to toxicity and trolls, bad non-meta picks and people that just didn't care... HERES the question, how do you expect anyone to climb with this system? I made it to platinum 4, after losing promotion series 6 times and going through this ladder at least 4 times. With that being said i believe its based on luck. HOW, How is this fair?

Sure, pros climb the ladder A LOT, you can use them as examples, but if you payed attention they duo with smurfs when they're in placement series to bump them OUT of the hell. Sure, good players don't have to do this, because well they're better and can physically just win by skill, but that's obviously because they're just better than bronze/gold+.

So here's my question: What about the players that can't advance BECAUSE of people holding them back? YES I MEAN YOU FOXDROP/SOUL WOLF. Yes I mean every toxic player that thinks he's better than everyone. IT doesn't sound too bad at all, after all its a game right? But that's an understatement, I don't play games to lose, League of Legends is all about the competitive scene, summer/LCS, splits, worlds, VG, MSI. AS A COMPETETIVE GAME THAT WANTS TO SEE GROWTH, YOU'RE KILLING THEM SOFTLY. How do players like me, enjoy the game when you simply can't? I believe I speak for anyone trying to climb this ladder that has a fluctuation. There should be a thresh hold or some way to re-balance this. I just can't be bothered by this anymore because I want to let the system depict how good I am based on my rank, yet i don't belong where I am. Riot clearly states that your rank is where you are, and where you need improvement, huh, well statistics can tell you otherwise.

So what can I DO to win? As a valued player who opens his wallet to support Riot know that my money is going to a good cause, considering they can't even balance matchmaking. How can I have fun if i know that i'll be in the same place I was 2 days ago... And don't you dare blame it on lack of sleep or how you're feeling that day... Because I can hop on halo/CoD/WoW/RS07/CS/ESO pissed or naw and still wreck face, but you know... League of legends can sense your feelings and know you're going to lose 8+ games in a row. HEY SEASON 2 CALLED THEY WANT THEIR EXCUSES BACK.

look at the fluctuation. Friends also have this problem:

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/36753721#profile http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/31014583#profile http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/40140773 http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/44703196

item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 When will i bloom into a item 3040 ? Luck? Riot please, you're running out of time.

If you read this far, thanks.

22 Comments

JAGMAG12 votes

the game is actually designed to give you around a 50% w/l ratio so when you start doing good the system matches you with worse players and or against better players if you keep winning then your elo goes up if you lose your games get easier but you lose elo. theirs still a good amount of luck but that's how its supposed to work

Remlap12235 votes

The entire point of League is teamplay. Solo Queue completely removes that aspect of it. That's why Katarina, Zed, and LeBlanc are so popular because they're pubstompers. A coordinated team can completely shit on those champions, hence why they aren't in competitive play that often (partly do to the tank meta). Meanwhile supports can't do shit if all of their teammates feed. Had a game in Bronze where that literally happened. I was literally the only one on the team without a death, let alone the multiple ones they were giving away. Can't roflstomp with a support Janna.

JAGMAG1 votes

zed is seen allot in competitive play lol not as much atm but because like you said tank meta atm. and as a support you can carry but you need insane mechanics or damage i personally on recommend morg/thresh/Annie or maybe a natuils/leona for solo que support the way you carry as support in solo que is 100% about giving your team vision/engage/and peel that is how you carry is by getting your adc fed in lane and then carrying team fights through engage and peel. now to address your point of solo que not being about team play.... that is 100% the community fault everyone wants to be a solo que super star or just wants to play what hey want to play. it set up were you could very easily put together a great team comp every game in draft mode and its not like it would be hard to build for the team needs instead of just full damage everything every game. for example if your first pick is a yasuo mid then the rest of the team should try and pick at least two more knock ups so your mid carry can get decent and reliable engage besides himself, but this almost never happens because play for the team? wtf does that mean nah man full damage teemo top. so like i said solo que could be a great team experience just the community refuses to play it properly. the exception being in higher elo you will see people attempt to pick for and build for the team instead of themselves...ok rant over

Black Jesus lV1 votes

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zed is seen allot in competitive play lol not as much atm but because like you said tank meta atm. and as a support you can carry but you need insane mechanics or damage i personally on recommend morg/thresh/Annie or maybe a natuils/leona for solo que support the way you carry as support in solo que is 100% about giving your team vision/engage/and peel that is how you carry is by getting your adc fed in lane and then carrying team fights through engage and peel. now to address your point of solo que not being about team play.... that is 100% the community fault everyone wants to be a solo que super star or just wants to play what hey want to play. it set up were you could very easily put together a great team comp every game in draft mode and its not like it would be hard to build for the team needs instead of just full damage everything every game. for example if your first pick is a yasuo mid then the rest of the team should try and pick at least two more knock ups so your mid carry can get decent and reliable engage besides himself, but this almost never happens because play for the team? wtf does that mean nah man full damage teemo top. so like i said solo que could be a great team experience just the community refuses to play it properly. the exception being in higher elo you will see people attempt to pick for and build for the team instead of themselves...ok rant over

This topic wasn't created to show how the meta is broken. It is to show stupidity and faults in Riots matchmaking system. You're 100% correct about the support (carry role). However, not everyone wants to be a superstar, there's just the mean toxic players that can intentionally feed just because you took their role. Communities fault for team play? Team play isn't even mentioned in this thread, it can relate to it, but not in the sense that you are using it. HOW DOES ONE COMMUNICATE WITH A VEIGAR JUNGLE THATS INTENT FEEDING BECAUSE HE WANTS MID. (THESE PLAYERS ARE UN-AVOIDABLE ONCE YOU REACH THE CAP.) Read the facts above. Btw, caps aren't because i'm losing my shit, its to point out the real problem. The un-fixable.

JAGMAG1 votes

what you are replying to is a reply to a reply not the original post

Black Jesus lV1 votes

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what you are replying to is a reply to a reply not the original post

New to forums completely. Really bad with it, i just heard that doing this creates bumps and it helps people see my point, i want to be heard.

Remlap12234 votes

Had a Tristana and her support Blitzcrank give me shit all game because I fed a Shaco mid as Gangplank (tried to lane swap with Akali to be matched against Annie, Shaco swapped back). Proceeded to get shit about being bronze the entire game from this "Platinum" player about how there were millions of players between me and her in terms of skill level. Proceeded to go from 0/4 to 8/9, take out 3 towers and the inhibitor twice while she proceeded to feed and lose baron buff and go completely after kills and not objectives. But please tell me how Yolo Queue is a good representation of skill.

I'd also like to add that I've seen Silver I players with Platinum level farming and Platinum players like those dipshits above care solely about kills and lose baron buff. Once again, please tell me how Yolo Queue is a good represenation of skill.

I probably could get to Silver and perhaps Gold if I wanted to deal with the bile of Yolo Queue and queued up with my IRL friend (at least it would get these higher ranked dipshits to shut up slightly), but honestly, I play this game to have fun. I wanted to climb the ladder to improve my own skills against challenging opponents, but instead I get to sit and watch my teammates feed, blame each other, and get roflstomped. Either that or it happens on the other team, and I roflstomp them without any effort. Solo Queue is just a big freaking joke at this point. You want a real way to test your skill? Get 5 IRL or Online buddies and make a ranked 5v5 team and try to climb the ladder that way.

Black Jesus lV1 votes

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Had a Tristana and her support Blitzcrank give me shit all game because I fed a Shaco mid as Gangplank (tried to lane swap with Akali to be matched against Annie, Shaco swapped back). Proceeded to get shit about being bronze the entire game from this "Platinum" player about how there were millions of players between me and her in terms of skill level. Proceeded to go from 0/4 to 8/9, take out 3 towers and the inhibitor twice while she proceeded to feed and lose baron buff and go completely after kills and not objectives. But please tell me how Yolo Queue is a good representation of skill.

I'd also like to add that I've seen Silver I players with Platinum level farming and Platinum players like those dipshits above care solely about kills and lose baron buff. Once again, please tell me how Yolo Queue is a good represenation of skill.

I probably could get to Silver and perhaps Gold if I wanted to deal with the bile of Yolo Queue and queued up with my IRL friend (at least it would get these higher ranked dipshits to shut up slightly), but honestly, I play this game to have fun. I wanted to climb the ladder to improve my own skills against challenging opponents, but instead I get to sit and watch my teammates feed, blame each other, and get roflstomped. Either that or it happens on the other team, and I roflstomp them without any effort. Solo Queue is just a big freaking joke at this point. You want a real way to test your skill? Get 5 IRL or Online buddies and make a ranked 5v5 team and try to climb the ladder that way.

Yeah, as you can see i'm stating that solo que is a joke. I believe it can be fixed. For some players solo que is fun and how you improve, however theres that physical cap that you will get to and just drop again... I want solo que to be fixed BECAUSE, I really do play league to win, i'm not LCS material, but I personally like to know that if i'm putting 1,000 hours into one video game, i deserve to be where i really am. My friends recognize this as well, which makes you feel better about playing a game you have a passion for. In other words, my rank in things means much more to me, if I spend time on something, i want others to know i'm good at it as well, and i deserved to be WHERE I AM, however this isnt the case... (whole conversation based on why it isnt)

jaymc11304 votes

Congratulations on reaching the realization that the ranked ladder below diamond level is almost entirely luck based due to matchmaking! You have now come to realize what I and several other master tier players (pissed we have trouble climbing on our gold smurfs) realized quite some time ago. Caristinn and I may not be liked by the high level community for saying this, but we will continue to champion the cause of a reworked matchmaking and ranked system. I will now bump for you a thread where many posts are made and many opinions shared. I will also link it here.

Your link: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/YTsfXbEx-oh-boy-looks-like-youve-gone-on-quite-the-winning-streak

Remlap12232 votes

You know what, the minor leaguers might hate you for saying this, but every Gold - players suck in ELO hell because they're support mains or don't have a pubstomper champion they can roflstomp Yolo Queue in thanks you for saying it. I've been calling bullshit on Riot's ranked system since the beginning of this season when I can't climb out of Bronze I despite being Leagues (see what I did there?) of skill ahead of where I was last year. I almost won my promo series in Bronze I last year after only about 30 games (after going on a losing streak that shot me down from Silver IV). Now, I'm at about 180 games, and am stuck slogging midway through Bronze I in terms of LP (not going back to ranked I can't deal with toxic teammates and feeders who blame me for everything).

I'd be ok with the system if everyone didn't treat it like a damn religion. If I had 1 RP for every time someone said I'm bad just because I'm in Bronze, I'd be able to buy the next ultimate skin at full price, with maybe a chroma pack leftover. All that does is piss me off. I really try to be cooperative and respectful to my teammates, but if you're in Silver or Gold and call me a Bronze scrub and say I'm the sole reason why the game isn't going your way, I'm going to let you fight all of your battles by yourself, because I'm obviously such a scrub I wouldn't contribute anything besides feeding anyways. I'm not even a human being in their eyes, just ELO gravity.

Grashnim3 votes

Solo Queue is not a true performance metric, don't treat it as one.

KirynDawn2 votes

The feels. I've been up and down gold constantly. The only solution that I can think of but don't want to execute is duo q with my friends while he is on a smurf

Black Jesus lV1 votes

bump

Space Bum1 votes

Similar feels. Looking forward to trying out that douq.net app from that other thread. Been queueing with B5 friend and that is not helping matters because my win rate has dropped way down. Seems like the only good way to climb is to find a decent duo partner.

Macilento1 votes

i feel you so bad... I hae the exact same problem. In my case im constantly going up and down from gold 3 to gold 2, but nothing to do... no matter what i can win 5 games in a row just to lose 8 games ina row shortyl after.

Not to mention that sometimes you jsut feel you encounter peopel in your matches that shouldnt be in the same category as you. Sometimes you get people too much skilled for gold 3 level, other times you get people that have 0 map awerness and have 40 cs in 30 minutes... i have no idea honestly, it sucks and is frustrating as hell

CircusT4ffy1 votes

If someone is having a bad game because of lack of sleep/bad day; tell them to go to bed and that it's going to be alright.

Maybe next time they'll be better, but not everyone can perform when you need them to. That's just life. It's full of mistakes, and you shouldn't think any less of others for not bringing their A-Game every single time.

Black Jesus lV1 votes

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If someone is having a bad game because of lack of sleep/bad day; tell them to go to bed and that it's going to be alright.

Maybe next time they'll be better, but not everyone can perform when you need them to. That's just life. It's full of mistakes, and you shouldn't think any less of others for not bringing their A-Game every single time.

You're absolutely right. There are those good players out there that are having bad days, i understand it. But when your MMR is 1600... and you're in promotion series for Gold 1... and your teams MMR is 1400 and 2 out of 4 of those players have one of the most toxic records in league/intent feed records? VS your opponents that have 1700 MMR. That means Riot intentionally puts you with worse teammates than where your stand point is, and against enemies who are better than your stand point, facts are broken.

N30NP4NDA1 votes

wait... gold 1 is 1600mmr? thats only like 40% better than my b4 mmr

CircusT4ffy1 votes

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You're absolutely right. There are those good players out there that are having bad days, i understand it. But when your MMR is 1600... and you're in promotion series for Gold 1... and your teams MMR is 1400 and 2 out of 4 of those players have one of the most toxic records in league/intent feed records? VS your opponents that have 1700 MMR. That means Riot intentionally puts you with worse teammates than where your stand point is, and against enemies who are better than your stand point, facts are broken.

Well darn. I'm unranked and I've had games against largely gold/plat players when suddenly I get matched with my friends up against a full diamond team and we almost always lose. I don't understand why Riot does this. Winning multiple games in a row of your current league should be enough, there should be no need for an ultimate boss fight against a team waaay above your MMR at the end of a promotion series. It's just unfair. I hope it comes across clearly that a bad game before promos is totally acceptable, and even during them - sometimes people just have bad games. As long as they are honest with you, and admit that they are playing badly - it should be commendable enough to temper your anger and frustration.

Now, the AFKers/intentional feeders and general douchebags that plague ranked are another story...

I just feel that looking down on a player who genuinely tried their best is dishonorable. However anybody that simply throws what you aspire out the window for nefarious reasons should be dealt with justly. Riot has a lot to fix with this ranked system and the corrupt player base in general - but I at least feel like they are trying with this new report identification system.

Hopefully they'll move onto sorting out this unfair matchmaking system during promotionals, and find a way to stop toxic behavior from ruining games entirely. (AFKing, feeding intentionally.) We'll see, and we'll just have to hope for the best. I wanted to make sure that players who may not get respect for having a bad day, but are admitting to it should at least get some respect for their honesty. They really should just play normals, but I would never gut somebody over a thing like that. Some people have days where they just want to curl up and die, and it would only make how they feel worse if someone were relying on them - and they messed it up. I want compassion to be shown to the downtrodden, and with this I hope you understand my point of view.

I hope some day we can meet each other on the rift and have a nice time. Until then, good luck in your games. : )

N30NP4NDA1 votes

Here's the real logic: You spend all of your luck climbing that when you get to your promos you have no luck left.

bigd3an1 votes

You know wats rediculously stupid watching "pro" stream and everyone in their tier knows what there doing. And can COUNT on there teammates to be non retarded troll dumbasses. Also when they duo THey usually GET a third pro who they try to que with the same time obv no duo Shit is retareded rigged.

Singing Lark1 votes

Wow. I guess I'm never playing ranked ever.

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