Am I the only one who thinks that Garen stacks hp and doesn't need armor nore magic resist?
Just hp and damage items such as these 
And just go crazy in spinning, jumpng and executing with lots of damage while being a pretty big tank?
Or the fact that his tankyness counters most of squishy champions?
Am I the only one?
Woodakoodashooda3 votesReason he doesn't need to buy resistance is because his W passively provides him all the resistances he needs simply for having killed minions. His passive also provides insane out of combat healing post 11 on top of which the most successful runes on Garen is Grasp with Demolish, Second Wind, and Overgrowth further increasing the heals he receives for nothing as well as his overall health.
His AD scalings make a full damage build not only viable, but incredibly effective and successful without sacrificing any of his innate tankiness and sustain.
He is, after all, a juggernaut.
DamSonWhUFndThis3 votesyou just put down numbers that clearly tell he is op and than say: welp he is just juggernaut
So like juggernauts are special swnowflakes that can do whatever the f they want?
Why won't champs be ballanced like darius I mean look at that guy - sure he does lot of damage but he gets outpoked, when you are faster than him you run away or chase him down, when you hate his healing Q you just take 
, you can also dodge his Q also he gets beaten by lategame champs in lategame, he is truly one of the champs that are almost perfectly ballanced - unlike Garen.
EbonyBladeJ882 votesNo, Juggernauts are not Special Snowflakes. They are actually one of the most easily counterpicked champions in the game.
For Garen himself...
His passive only boosts his regen when it is active. Hitting him with one auto-attack or damaging ability places it on CD, reducing his regen. Granted at LVL 11 the cool-down to reactivate it is reduced from 9 seconds to 4, but the same rule of ONE Auto-attack or ANY damaging ability STILL places it on CD. He cannot activate it at will, he cannot reduce it's CD by buying CD reducing items, and, if you have something that applies Grievous Wounds, his Regen will FURTHER be reduced while it is on CD. Like I said above, constant poke PREVENTS him from getting his Perseverance, and thus his Regen.
His Q, upon activation CLEANSES him of all slows currently affecting him. With proper timing, a Garen can remove a slow nearly instantly after it has been applied to him. But, it does NOT say he is IMMUNE to slows afterwards. Meaning, if you can get the Garen to use his Q PRIOR to you applying your slow, you can render the MS boost he gets to be ineffective. Consistent or repeated slowing effects, such as 
's Frost Shot or 
's Pillar of Ice can remove his speed boost almost as quickly as he can gain it.
Next, his W. For the first 0.75 seconds once activated, he takes 60% less damage and gains 60% Tenacity. For the remaining duration, he takes only 30% reduced damage. Through wise use, his W can act very similar to 
's Riposte. But remember, that initial Tenacity and DMG reduction only apply during the first 0.75 seconds. The remaining duration has no Tenacity and the DMG reduction is halved.
For his E, it applies 33% more damage to a SINGLE unit. Meaning, like I said above, if he is hitting more than one unit, such as a group of minions and a champion, or even a single minion and a champion, those ticks of his E will NOT apply the additional damage. It means the Garen player must position himself wisely to get the very most out of his E.
Lastly, his R. It is an execute that deals bonus damage based on missing health, the amount dependent on the rank of the skill. (28.6% for 1, 33.3% for 2, and 40% for 3). The more health you have, the longer it takes for Garen to get you low enough to execute you, which if played around wisely, can let you occupy him so that other team-mates can come and aid you against him, or allow you to escape and prevent him from getting a kill, if your character has a dash or a blink or a knockback to boot him away.
He's also one of the MOST screwed when he's up against a Ranged Champ in the toplane. Darius has a Pull, Nasus has a slow, Illaoi can grab the Ranged Champ's Soul as examples for utility they have against Ranged Picks. What does Garen have? An MS Boost and a Silence on his Q IF he can land the blow. Someone like Vayne can literally just push him back with her E as he tries to run at her.
Though this ranged counterpicking applies to all Juggernauts really; pick any ranged champion in the toplane against a Juggernaut, use their disengage wisely any time said Juggernaut tries to go on you and they'll be cursing your name to the high heavens. CC is also a problem for them (Not so much for Garen himself due to the Tenacity on his W) because Juggernauts have to stay active to stay alive.
: He has to hit champions with the Outer Blade of his Q to get the heal. In order to do that, he has to be able to move to ensure that his targets stay within the range of the Outer Blade. He has to be active.
: She has to hit champions with her Q or the Tentacles she spawns, whether they be from her passive or her Ult. She has to be active.
: He has to be constantly dealing damage or taking it to charge up his W shield, which he can then consume for a partial heal. He has to be active.
: Yes, he gets free innate life-steal, but HE is the one that has to proc it by HITTING someone or something. He has to be active.
DamSonWhUFndThis1 votesI'm no expert or anything but what if ur positioned like me in champ select and you always pick before enemy toplaner, you say juggernauts can counterpick but also they are amazing at counterpicking What if I'm first pick and just want to play my champ what if he is just a filthy Garen main that happens to also be countering my champion. You say alot about counterpicking but what if you can't You say that his ult is only counterable with the help of someone else - or not getting low - well try that yourself than and let's see so you're low so you stay under turret - meanwhile braindead Garen is free to regenerate from his passive because walking up to him could be an end for you - also he can use his Q to stay longer under his passive Grevious wounds are nice but they end sooner before his passive resets so his healing is literally never reduced Plus he can build regen items to regen even faster His passive scales with hp which is one of the only things he builds You typed about his 0,75 W damage that it's only 0,75s but that 30% reduction on top of his Death's Dance healing and bleed gives him huge tankyness. His E shreds your armor making him deal more damage + he can shred even more with Black Clever His Q silence is pretty annoying too - sometimes you need these resources while you're under silence and after the silence ends it's useless or less effective. Like as camille if you could Q and get second Q sooner than now but no he has silence on his Q so you get less damage on him. Did I mention farming with that big boy is not a problem? so his W gets stacked pretty fast and if you happen to be farming slow it still eventualy stacks up and he still doesn't require to build lot of deffensive items.
As for counter pick - again League of Counterpick nowdays - but what if you're the first pick? how do you pick should you just leave? pick a broken champ you don't even want to play? and I tell you he counters a bunch of champs aswell gives lot of players problems.
He gets his Q silence rewarded because he silences you so you can't react to him or must react sooner His W reawards for him blindly charging so when the enemy example camille stacks her Q and popped it before your silence (btw I don't play camille I use it as an example) than you W her empowered Q and be rewarded even more damage reduction still reduces true damage right? His E gives him decent damage and his ult is stronger than Dariuse's because he doesn't have to stack any bleed.
I could go on and on with this one
True Garen3 votesDude. It's not a secret. That's basically his recommended tab.
That is one way to play. That is what the most recent buff would suggest. Also, a look at Garen's recommended tab. In many matches, a build such as what you suggested could work, at least as a final build. (But why did you include the Suncape? That's a big armour item.)
Garen would normally build Deadman's Plate, and even rush it, because that item is considered "offensive" on Garen. Ninja Tabis are usually too good to pass up for what they offer, at that price. Fewer matches will require Garen to take Mercury Treads, for the extra Tenacity.
Or did you actually mean to include Warmog's, rather than Sunfire?
The extra defense in his most recent buff, theoretically gives Garen license to build more AD. Alternately, Garen is the kind of champion that uses tankiness to deal more damage. He scales with health more than he scales with AD.
The Black Cleaver/Trinity Force, Deadman's Plate, Sterak's Gage are core items and in most matches those will be the first three built, although not necessarily in that order.
Again, Deadman's Plate is core. It's not really optional, and it's not really about the armour. In the early game, Garen's full combo wearing only DMP is only about %10 less damage than if he had BC instead. Some high MMR Garen will rush DMP even against a full magic damage enemy.
Ideally, Garen tries to get HP on every item. (Ironically, Garen base stats are rather anemic for a top laner... his HP lvl 18 is just over 2k, about %8 less than others in his category.) A few exceptional items are frequently build that offer no health: Guardian Angel, Lord Dominik's Regards/Mortal Reminder.
Death's Dance is good on Garen, it's on his recommended tab, but difficult to fit into early build. And it has no HP of its own.
The other defensive items are situational - Randuin's Omen, and Spirit Visage (although many appreciate the boost that SV gives to Garen passive enough that they may try to find any excuse to build it.)
If you include Titanic Hydra, then you should probably also include Frozen Mallet as an alternative.
Once you realize that you are committed to building Sterak's Gage, then you really want get as much HP as possible (for the shield). Items like Youmuu's, ZZ'rot Portal, even Infinity Edge become less attractive.
A look at riste's recent matches shows that he was playing around with Lethality items and ZZ'rot recently, to good advantage, but it seems that he was already ahead when he decided to use these.
Almost as much as Garen scales with HP, if not more so, Garen scales with MS. Movement Speed is a precious statistic in League in general, but Garen craves it more than most others. And, indeed, most of his standard items, and most of the appealing nonstandard items, come with some MS attached.
Garen's scalings are largely irrelevant of any stat that he can purchase, illustrated by this extreme example: Garen is in a relatively good spot (for him) right now, but this hasn't always been the case over the past two years. At times, "tank Garen" seemed to be the most viable build. It was discovered that building tank magic damage items and magic pen, along with a rune like Grasp or old Conqueror (or even Phase Rush or Electrocute) would yield considerable damage. Sorc Shoes, Sunfire Cape, Thornmail and so on with Abyssal Mask for MR - MarineRevenge's "Weedzard Garen". (He did normally fit a Black Cleaver in there somewhere.)
I'll point out that your build, as you have chosen it, contains %50 CDR. If one is committed to it, and takes Transcendence and the CDR shard, then a yield of at least 36AD.
True Garen3 votesAnd just go crazy in spinning, jumpng and executing with lots of damage while being a pretty big tank?
Technically, Garen is not a tank, since he has very little CC. He is perhaps the tankiest juggernaut (certainly the most burst-resistant).
Hot LeBlanc Yuri2 votesGaren has been needing some serious fixes for a while now, there's almost no counterplay to him when he get just slightly ahead.
DamSonWhUFndThis2 votesis it his E reducing damage, passive or the actual numbers being too big I wonder
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Garen has been needing some serious fixes for a while now, there's almost no counterplay to him when he get just slightly ahead.
It's not that Garen got ahead. It's that he passed into lvl 11 and midgame. Garen can cause nearly as much trouble starved as fed. His ult isn't scaling from anything that he buys with the gold from his kills. He can have a horrible game (which is frequently the case, considering that he has few good matchups) and still walk up to the villain and chunk away the same amount of health.
Hammermancer1 votes
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DamSonWhUFndThis1 votesso you agree??
Hammermancer1 votesso you agree??
DEMACIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
DamSonWhUFndThis1 votesI don't speak the language of garen
Sageace1 votesGaren's job tends to be "countering most of the squishy champions" if built and played right. And he gets an extra 50 Armor and Magic resist for killing a grand total of 150 units, usually by an average of 15 minutes into the game with some variation here and there.