Support starting items

As a support, I always buy a support item +

I don't know what is Riot trying to achieve anymore, Lee sin damage buff, Kindred buff, ...

Welp now I'm angry.

My start path involves where I can slap a pink in the opposite buff for my jungler.

Now I don't even get a potion to compensate for the damage done to me when I'm in lane. OR Now I don't get to give my jungler an edge because I can't afford the potion AND the ward.

I agree, 375 is very reasonable as a starting price, while allowing for alternate build paths.

I'll be missing my start...

I thought supports were SUPPOSED to have significant lane sustain because they do a lot of trading...

I support your idea, I've always been a user of . Now I'll start with to buy in the first back.

I wonder at which point I'll just be buying first on AP Supports and getting second. I don't get my wards until 15+ minutes unless I actually dominate my lane anyway, so what's 5 more minutes? The game in most cases was already decided <15 minutes in anyways.

Upvoted, but lemme tell you this.

THEY'RE NOT. GOING. TO LISTEN.

This is just another of hundreds of tiny changes to force earlier deaths and harder snowballs, once again aimed at botlane. They have been doing this solidly since the season started.

I'm pretty sure they also want their runes to matter more. So if you want increased sustain, you'll have to use the inspiration or resolve trees.

But you won't, because you're in low elo. So now please enjoy losing lane within 20 seconds because

In my opinion, this change is just to increase the snowball build up speed.

Whats more its pretty bullshit to mess with the starting items of an entire role spanning several classes of champion that heavily affects the first 3 minutes of the game. Especially when the games are getting decided earlier than ever.

This isnt even a 50 gold nerf. Its a 150 gold nerf. Sure you do technically get something for your gold by buying double pots, but for roles that get solo income and get kills blowing some starting gold on pots isnt as big a deal.

Riot needs to avoid making support a crap "bitch role" that drives support mains out, and other people dont want to be in. We went down that road... it had autofill supports in every game that threw to end it faster so they could go back to their preferred role. Support itemization was improved just to give supports impact, and an enjoyable feel... care should be taken to avoid that feeling turning into stepping in cold shit.

Such raw bs because adcs have the healthiest start with and

Well, at least they could allow the mastery "future's market" (?) to be applicable right from the level 1, with 50 golds limit.

I agree with the users, buying that is a money saver (in that we don't have to buy potions constantly, and we only get four , if we opt for that rune at all) in the long run that we can use to buy or other needed items.

"The current cost of support items lets support players mitigate a pretty high amount of poke through potions, which makes trading feel more ineffective than we'd like." = Supports are not dying enough.

Going from to 2x doesn't really change anything except that I may have to drop another 100 g on potions first back. As others have mentioned this may impact when I first buy . Supports are always an item behind everyone else anyway. Ultimately this just puts us another 100-200g behind.

Now everybody starts with support item and 2 potions. 0 variety.

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I always go yellow and bead. Although won't to be able to buy anymore, I am not too mad. It just means that I am forced to go back early for the first upgrade. The only person who suffers is the bot carry who has to be in lane alone for some 30-45 secs.

They made this game even more snowbally and burst-based.

Simply disgusting, as much as that some people got payed for such a bad work.

Pretty much another buff to , Biscuits becomes more valid than Boots now

It is frustrating that they're nerfing supports(again) but at the same time, I can't help be a little grateful. One of the most frustrating things bot lane for me has been melee carries going bot and starting targons; this gives them so much sustain. They would get 3 pots to my one, 125 bonus health to my 80, and the targon stacks would also give both them and their support extra healing as well. And this isn't even touching on their boneplating and second wind; melee carries were so hard to push out of botlane with these kind of starts and its honestly kind of abuse of the support item...

I hate that they couldn't just figure out a way to fix that though without nerfing legitimate supports...

That's my main beef with the current support options. There used to be a lot of variety but now there's just like 2 choices at best. Usually just one. Diversity is hugely crimped and now it's worse. There's zero agency in the choices a player makes pre-game and now EVERYTHING is post game lobby. The tactical side of League is dying slowly and is being replaced by the strategic layer (which is how you play the game in trading situations). It's very unfortunate for people like me who like the strategic layer more because my choices are becoming less important compared to my reactions (which aren't really "MY" choices)

I'm with you, I used to start , or , and or and now it's impossible.

I agree with OP, the ability for supports to take anything but red pots was lost with the change & I'd really appreciate seeing Rejuvenation Bead + Faerie Charm back as a possibility through this change.

like for adc they are trying to gut the sustain of support as well to make the lane end faster...

I really like this suggestion. If you don't do it yourself, I'll try to post it in Meddler's Quick Gameplay Thoughts tomorrow.

not sure on how rejuvenation bead being 125g would affect other items like Tiamat, etc. or they can set up a item that has less health regen for 125 gold to use to build for Targon's brace.