Support starting items

SwelteringMuffin·8/1/2018, 1:33:04 PM·142 votes·23,628 views

Hello everyone,

The cost of starting support items have increased by 50 gold with patch 8.15, making them 400 gold.

The reason of Riot their change is: "The current cost of support items lets support players mitigate a pretty high amount of poke through potions, which makes trading feel more ineffective than we'd like."

However by doing so they completely shut down alternative starting items paths such as getting Faerie Charm or Rejuvenation Bead instead of Health Potions, as these two items costs 125g and 150g respectively.

Support players taking this alternative starting item path (no potions start) don't mitigate any high amount of poke and take the risk vs reward approach (completing upgrades earlier). This change forces support players to buy 2 Health Potions because only 100 gold is available.

My solution for a middle ground would be: Gold generating item down to 375g and Rejuvenation Bead down to 125g.

This way you still can only buy 2 Health Potions or you can opt for the alternative way of going Faerie Charm or Rejuvenation Bead. But it also would open up a new path which would be a gold generating item, 1 Health Potion and 1 Control Ward.

Hopefully some Rioter's will come across my post and consider the suggestion. Thank you for taking your time.

~SwelteringMuffin Guidemaker, season one player, support main.

111 Comments

Beatrice falls8/1/2018, 1:54:59 PM62 votes

As a support, I always buy a support item + item 2031

I don't know what is Riot trying to achieve anymore, Lee sin damage buff, Kindred buff, ...

Totally Not Jinx8/1/2018, 1:47:55 PM43 votes

Welp now I'm angry.

My start path involves item 3303 item 2055 item 2003 where I can slap a pink in the opposite buff for my jungler.

Now I don't even get a potion to compensate for the damage done to me when I'm in lane. OR Now I don't get to give my jungler an edge because I can't afford the potion AND the ward.

I agree, 375 is very reasonable as a starting price, while allowing for alternate build paths.

Sirsir8/1/2018, 3:23:31 PM29 votes

I'll be missing my item 2031 start...

I thought supports were SUPPOSED to have significant lane sustain because they do a lot of trading...

Salvor Hardın8/1/2018, 1:39:17 PM24 votes

I support your idea, I've always been a user of item 2031. Now I'll start with item 2055 to buy item 2031 in the first back.

Wolfalisk3188/1/2018, 3:04:51 PM17 votes

I wonder at which point I'll just be buying item 1082 first on AP Supports and getting item 3303 second. I don't get my wards until 15+ minutes unless I actually dominate my lane anyway, so what's 5 more minutes? The game in most cases was already decided <15 minutes in anyways.

NekoniClaws8/1/2018, 6:56:56 PM13 votes

Upvoted, but lemme tell you this.

THEY'RE NOT. GOING. TO LISTEN.

This is just another of hundreds of tiny changes to force earlier deaths and harder snowballs, once again aimed at botlane. They have been doing this solidly since the season started.

I'm pretty sure they also want their runes to matter more. So if you want increased sustain, you'll have to use the inspiration or resolve trees.

But you won't, because you're in low elo. So now please enjoy losing lane within 20 seconds because Fiddlesticks

WeaselRune8/1/2018, 9:29:56 PM11 votes

In my opinion, this change is just to increase the snowball build up speed.

Whats more its pretty bullshit to mess with the starting items of an entire role spanning several classes of champion that heavily affects the first 3 minutes of the game. Especially when the games are getting decided earlier than ever.

This isnt even a 50 gold nerf. Its a 150 gold nerf. Sure you do technically get something for your gold by buying double pots, but for roles that get solo income and get kills blowing some starting gold on pots isnt as big a deal.

Riot needs to avoid making support a crap "bitch role" that drives support mains out, and other people dont want to be in. We went down that road... it had autofill supports in every game that threw to end it faster so they could go back to their preferred role. Support itemization was improved just to give supports impact, and an enjoyable feel... care should be taken to avoid that feeling turning into stepping in cold shit.

LordGeovanni8/1/2018, 5:27:52 PM10 votes

Such raw bs because adcs have the healthiest start with item 1055 and item 2003

Janakin8/1/2018, 6:19:25 PM9 votes

Well, at least they could allow the mastery "future's market" (?) to be applicable right from the level 1, with 50 golds limit.

Cronoseon8/2/2018, 6:59:21 AM6 votes

Now everybody starts with support item and 2 potions. 0 variety.

Sluiceway8/1/2018, 10:53:06 PM6 votes

I agree with the item 2031 users, buying that is a money saver (in that we don't have to buy potions constantly, and we only get four item 2009, if we opt for that rune at all) in the long run that we can use to buy item 2055 or other needed items.

"The current cost of support items lets support players mitigate a pretty high amount of poke through potions, which makes trading feel more ineffective than we'd like." = Supports are not dying enough.

Morticianjohn8/2/2018, 4:21:26 AM6 votes

Going from item 2031 to 2x item 2003 doesn't really change anything except that I may have to drop another 100 g on potions first back. As others have mentioned this may impact when I first buy item 2055 . Supports are always an item behind everyone else anyway. Ultimately this just puts us another 100-200g behind.

StrawberriesRfun8/1/2018, 3:26:12 PM5 votes

I always go yellow and bead. Although won't to be able to buy anymore, I am not too mad. It just means that I am forced to go back early for the first upgrade. The only person who suffers is the bot carry who has to be in lane alone for some 30-45 secs.

Nea1048/1/2018, 7:16:14 PM5 votes

They made this game even more snowbally and burst-based.

Simply disgusting, as much as that some people got payed for such a bad work.

Praetor Notorias8/2/2018, 1:47:18 AM5 votes

That's my main beef with the current support options. There used to be a lot of variety but now there's just like 2 choices at best. Usually just one. Diversity is hugely crimped and now it's worse. There's zero agency in the choices a player makes pre-game and now EVERYTHING is post game lobby. The tactical side of League is dying slowly and is being replaced by the strategic layer (which is how you play the game in trading situations). It's very unfortunate for people like me who like the strategic layer more because my choices are becoming less important compared to my reactions (which aren't really "MY" choices)

arthas echo8/1/2018, 11:25:36 PM5 votes

Pretty much another buff to Brand Zyra , Biscuits becomes more valid than Boots now

OtterlyLost8/2/2018, 1:02:28 AM5 votes

It is frustrating that they're nerfing supports(again) but at the same time, I can't help be a little grateful. One of the most frustrating things bot lane for me has been melee carries going bot and starting targons; this gives them so much sustain. They would get 3 pots to my one, 125 bonus health to my 80, and the targon stacks would also give both them and their support extra healing as well. And this isn't even touching on their boneplating and second wind; melee carries were so hard to push out of botlane with these kind of starts and its honestly kind of abuse of the support item...

I hate that they couldn't just figure out a way to fix that though without nerfing legitimate supports...

QsoloPro8/2/2018, 1:22:26 AM4 votes

I'm with you, I used to startitem 3301 ,item 3303 or ,item 3097 and item 1004 or item 1006 and now it's impossible.

Captain Lito8/1/2018, 9:58:09 PM3 votes

I agree with OP, the ability for supports to take anything but red pots was lost with the change & I'd really appreciate seeing Rejuvenation Bead + Faerie Charm back as a possibility through this change.

DeathBurst8/2/2018, 5:24:51 PM2 votes

I really like this suggestion. If you don't do it yourself, I'll try to post it in Meddler's Quick Gameplay Thoughts tomorrow.

Saibbo8/2/2018, 8:37:54 AM2 votes

like for adc they are trying to gut the sustain of support as well to make the lane end faster...

IceAYon8/1/2018, 8:21:40 PM1 votes

not sure on how rejuvenation bead being 125g would affect other items like Tiamat, etc. or they can set up a item that has less health regen for 125 gold to use to build for Targon's brace.