I don't know why you went to nerf her defensive when she will still be OP because of her early game insanity, 200 basic attack range and insane Q spamming on same champion, one of these things has to go IMO. I don't mind the champion that much but from what I've observed it's the problem.
Hügö54 votesMaybe another 5ms nerf will fix it?
Daddy Ants7 votesMaybe another 5ms nerf will fix it?
Q cooldown increased by ** 0.25 seconds. **
That will fix her.
/s
Enderspider1 votesw ap ratio lowered by 5% at rank 5
Hayaishi219 votesIrelia can't be fixed.
WoonStruck11 votesYes she can. Remove her Q reset with E/R procs, make her W consume more mana the longer its held, and make her Q cost more mana. Significantly more.
She ends up like an updated version of the old irelia, but the ult might still need tweaks.
Hayaishi242 votesYes she can. Remove her Q reset with E/R procs, make her W consume more mana the longer its held, and make her Q cost more mana. Significantly more.
She ends up like an updated version of the old irelia, but the ult might still need tweaks.
That's not fixing her, that's flat out breaking her. She will stop working as a champion if you do that, she's designed around Q resets.
ProffessorAutism3 votes[deleted]
Hayaishi28 votesI bet you cry when thrash is picked up if you care about irelia becoming a troll pick,that thing is the most annoying sack of shit in this game second only to healsluts. THE RESETS(at least on e) HAVE TO GO
Everyone is claiming she can be fixed, Irelia becoming a trollpick is not fixing her.
That is why i said this champion is not fixable. Her design makes her either OP or garbage because she has 0 counterplay.
xDogMeatx1 votes
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SwiftKitten889 votesThat's not fixing her, that's flat out breaking her. She will stop working as a champion if you do that, she's designed around Q resets.
as long as it still resets on a unit kill it will still function perfectly, they only need to remove her "mark" system
Hayaishi211 votesas long as it still resets on a unit kill it will still function perfectly, they only need to remove her "mark" system
The mark system is exactly why irelia works. Have you people even played her?
LordGeovanni3 votesRight without her marks she is just a KS champion with really shitty damage to KS with
WoonStruck2 votesShe would literally be just like the old irelia but her ult would be worth something.
Currently she's the old irelia, which was already either too strong or too weak at any given time, but she also has Q resets, ranged E, damage reduction, and a broken ult.
If the old irelia can be strong, this irelia can be strong without those things I listed.
At the very least it needs to be like the old akali or poppy, where they nerf her until she's 'unviable' until they can rework her.
Hayaishi24 votesShe would literally be just like the old irelia but her ult would be worth something.
Currently she's the old irelia, which was already either too strong or too weak at any given time, but she also has Q resets, ranged E, damage reduction, and a broken ult.
If the old irelia can be strong, this irelia can be strong without those things I listed.
At the very least it needs to be like the old akali or poppy, where they nerf her until she's 'unviable' until they can rework her.
Please go play new Irelia. Irelia would literally be useless if she didn't have marks.
Old Irelia's damage came from W, new Irelia is nothing like old Irelia, just because their Qs are similar lol.
Irelia isn't getting reworked again that is why Riot will not maker unplayable.
Kosm1K1 votesnew irelia has that same damage from w ( albeit a bit weaker) with her own passive. Personally, I think the main problem with this irelia is that her dashes are so fast. Reducing the speed of the dashes might help a bit, especially to allow people to actually run from her when she's trying to catch up using minions as footholds
Hibeki2 votes% damage reduced on targets hit by Q more than once within the same time period, like Taliyah Q
The Trent1 votesIrelia can't be fixed.
I disagree. I think maybe nerfing her early game q damage so she can't 1 shot mage minions at level 5 would be an amazing nerf. It's very hard to gank her right now because she can just q away. Otherwise she'd be easy to gank and easy to set behind. increasing q mana cost would be nice too.
Z3Sleeper1 votesShe can. She just needs the classic nerf tAD ratios and buff bAD ratios.
Full bruiser Irelia should not be 100-0'ing anyone especially when she misses E and just goes RWQQ. She has this stupid high DPS passive that's hardly utilized most of the time because her burst is stupid high too.
Also screw 200 range. She should not be outranging melees as a melee without an enhanced attack like Nasus Q, Jax W, etc.
NaturesMayhem1 votesEveryone keeps talking about her damage, but that also won't fix her. She could have 0 damage and still be broken, because she runs into the same problem as Yasuo and LB. A kit overloaded with a mobility function that makes her miserable to play against. The only way to compensate for this would be to nerf her damage values severely so she can't cross the lane and kill you in a few second trade. However, if you nerfed her that much, she would be unplayable.
It's a frustrating topic since there's no clear fix to the underlying issue, I think this all could be solved by Riot going back to their roots and releasing more 2D Champions that have their own quirks. Not every champions needs a dash or invisibility to be unique.
ArtumisPrime1 votesShe could have 0 damage and still be broken
The only way to compensate for this would be to** nerf her damage **values severely so she can't cross the lane and kill you in a few second trade. However, if you nerfed her that much, she would be unplayable.
NaturesMayhem1 votesYou can be broken and unplayable at the same time. Broken doesn't mean damage. You know what's missing from that quote? A single line that explains what I was referring to, her mobility.
She could have 0 damage and still be broken, because she runs into the same problem as Yasuo and LB. A kit overloaded with a mobility function that makes her miserable to play against. The only way to compensate for this would be to nerf her damage values severely so she can't cross the lane and kill you in a few second trade. However, if you nerfed her that much, she would be unplayable.
She could do no damage and still be broken yet unplayable. Broken because her kit is overloaded with non-damage abilities that make her unfair to play against, yet unplayable because she does no damage and thus nobody would bother to play her anyways. You win the battle, they psychological one against the enemy laner, but you lose the way because when it comes down to it, you're not actually useful.
ArtumisPrime2 votesSaying she's broken because she doesn't need damage, but unplayable because she has no damage is extremely contradictory.
Rabbi Shekelberg15 votesHow about NOT instantly kill full health minions with 1 Q and get a reset without even a trinity proc mid game?6
Moon Mom6 votesThis is beyond inaccurate. She can't clear full HP casters without trinity or at least sheen and a hugeeee lead.
WoonStruck2 voteslol go try it in a custom. rank 3 you can start 1 shotting casters if you're building properly. That's level 5.
Moon Mom11 votesyeah right lol. Irelia is my secondary main and I play her in mid diamond on my alt. I know what I'm talking about. You'd have to effectively Tiamat then Q the wave to soften casters up enough. This is a joke. She can't oneshot then without items, at least a sheen minimum.
Póppy Chulo1 votesIrelia needs to run up to the casters, use Tiamat, then Q 3 times. Or you can Sheen Q kill a caster, Tiamat, then Q 2 times. She cant clear casters as easy as you say, but this can still be annoying as you say.
If she E far away, Q caster, Tiamat, Q 2 more times then E Q you, you lose a flash. lol
I believe what needs to happen is her passive damage OR attack speed needs to be reduce.
Moon Mom2 votesThis I can agree with. Lower attack speed and passive damage and she's balanced.
Alzon14 votesThe problem with Irelia is how she immediately forces all champions outside of EXP range as soon as she gets her passive and Conqueror stacked, since it’s a triple-factor buff (Attack Speed, AD/on-hit damage, true damage conversion). Then she can just last-hit while holding a freeze or slow pushing for minutes at a time. She’s incredibly weak without these passives stacked, and incredibly strong with them stacked. Her passive should be reworked entirely to be less polarizing, and then she could possibly get some more power back in the rest of her kit.
PB4UAME5 votesJust make it so she can only stack her damn passive on spell uses AGAINST CHAMPIONS for fuck's sake, so she can't do that shit, and slow push for free every time she walks near a minion wave, while zoning you out of EXP range until its under turret, and even then she has the option of straight up diving you, or coordinating with her jungler, as you will be levels down in EXP, and behind in CS.
Do that, and triple her Q mana cost so it actually matters at fucking all, and she'd be far more fair to play against, imho.
xDogMeatx1 votesorrrr we can remove her cancerous passive altogether and give her a Kayn styled passive that can transition to mid to late game.
DeusVult3 votesIf you really want to bring Irelia back in line, nerfing her W wont do it, and nerfing her Q too much will ruin her as a champ. Her Q is basically her identity. What Riot could hit though, is her passive and Conq. Irelia can stack both before entering combat with an enemy champ, meaning that her early to mid game is very strong against anyone who isnt a tank, or cant stand with her in a slap fight.
If they made it so that her passive/conq required some time in combat with a champ before procing, then it would give the enemy time to fight back or retreat before Irelia was at full power
Articuno Sucks3 votesHow about make her q temporally spammable. So like when she start using her q, she can only reset it for like 4 or 5 seconds, and then automatically goes on cooldown.
Hibeki1 votesSpirit dash?
Nevrankroaton3 votesDespite the usual whining, the nerf on W is actually important because it mean Irelia won't tempo as much/tank as much when you and your teammamte focus her and she press W to just be like "Ahah nope biatch".
It is actually a strong nerf... Not the one you want, but not an insignificant one.
I still feel that a nerf on conqueror would make her way less oppressive early...
Scorpio Szn1 votesThey don't care. This guy is a Darius player and probably got outplayed by an Irelia numerous times q'ing to him when he tried to q.
Nevrankroaton2 votesI don't think a player named "Infinite Irelia" can really tell me about someone being a Darius player...
Irelia has issue, I love the champ and the idea of her design but it need to be less oppressive early on against squishy.
Scorpio Szn1 votesYou don't get the point of my comment
I agree with this nerf and their intentions of it, the whole point of this nerf is to ironically make her less oppressive early as her defensive cool down (ex. counter strike, riposte) has a longer cool down at rank 1 and its always the ability she'll max last. This means you should be aggressive on her whenever you know this ability is on cool down and you see the chance.
remunade2 votesThey could honestly reduce q damage scaling (specifically during early levels) and if they really wanted, could also make the q reset to .5 sec or something so she doesn't just triple q in under a second.
Ugly Alien1 votesThere is a youtube video of faker against irelia, where irelia dives faker (who is full health) and kills faker in a second with all these hyper dashes.
If someone has that clip post it, that pretty much sums up Irelia.
saltran1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ugly Alien,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hoM3yRUu,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-12-05T05:35:02.265+0000)
There is a youtube video of faker against irelia, where irelia dives faker (who is full health) and kills faker in a second with all these hyper dashes.
If someone has that clip post it, that pretty much sums up Irelia.
Here's the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZxdMA6XFaA
Ugly Alien1 votesHere's the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZxdMA6XFaA
That's against Brand. There is a clip where faker is against Irelia and faker dies on 1 second, Irelia dives tower.
xDogMeatx1 votesif faker aka league god died to irelia full hp that means shes gotta be op...
Arammus1 votesthat would actually mean riot has to do something smart/listen to the community and i think everyone who isnt blind realized by now that for the past 3 seasons, thats not something riot is aiming for.
HommeGoujon1 votesPretty sure I've seen several threads saying her dmg reduction/tankiness was the real problem. Apparently, players on boards don't seem to agree on that point... Who would have guesses?
Besteal1 votestbf I'm pretty sure removing the letting people get free stacks from just pressing W + a Spellblade stack made it so that she could instantly hit 4 stacks without using R or minions. Also removing 10% DMG reduction is quite a lot.
Let's be real here though, if Conqueror was removed or nerfed Irelia would drop at least 2% in winrate.
Enderspider1 votesthey should make it so her q deals reduced damage when it procs a mark so she cant just q 3 times for 3 times the damage she did before the rework
Draconian5651 votesI say give her the Katarina treatment, where the mark doesn't fully reset Irelia's Q (2-3s static CD). The most annoying part of is seeing her one shot the entire minion wave with Tiamat alone, making it difficult to trade since she now has more minions. Or the fact she can land an E on you, Q you, AA, Q back out before you can even trade back.
Ahris1 votesThe q spamming is her nature though. Remove that and she will be quite useless.
