Im really tired of playing games where some high elo dude is playing with his low elo friends. I shouldn't have to go against plat opponents because a diamond player decided to support his lvl 20 friend. It just keeps making games that are extremely not fair.
dgntha7 votes4 man premades are much worse than that scenario. 90% are toxic douchebags.
Junkο1 votesyou mean 100%
Sogreth3 votes4 man premades are much worse than that scenario. 90% are toxic douchebags.
It's only toxic because you're more likely to remember the bad/toxic premades, rather than the nice/cool ones.
CaesarFlickerman2 votesNot necessarily true. I personally research every team before I go into the game, and the 4-man queues, more often than not, are toxic and not worth the effort.
Some are fine, yes, but the overwhelming majority are terrible.
Sogreth1 votesNot necessarily true. I personally research every team before I go into the game, and the 4-man queues, more often than not, are toxic and not worth the effort.
Some are fine, yes, but the overwhelming majority are terrible.
And like I said to the other guy, stop researching it. Why the fuck does it mater if you're in a team with a premade, just play your game. You only come across 4-mans in normals anyways. Oh wow! Normals!
Stop using crap like lolnexus or all your other third party sites, and just play, if you don't know you're in a premade you won't care. Out of sight, out of mind.
Pudii Pudii1 votes4 man premades are much worse than that scenario. 90% are toxic douchebags.
It's only toxic because you're more likely to remember the bad/toxic premades, rather than the nice/cool ones.
Even if it's not toxic rarely is it fun. In my experience, the premade 4 never speaks to you and basically tries to play the game without you. If you call out one of them, then the game becomes a 9v1.
So many times I'm playing top lane with teleport as like Gragas/Fizz/Akali and I'm telling them I have TP and I'm looking bot and without fail instead of baiting the fight as I TP they back up and wait for their jungler. Now my TP is down, my lane is pushed, they won't take drag even though it's 5 of us bottom and no one will rotate to hold my lane.
The only pleasant premade 4's I've ever played with are the ones where I snowball out of control and don't need my teammates at all. Any other time, I feel like a stepchild that gets in their way.
I'd be completely for a queue or a radio button that filters whether or not I want to pass up a premade 4.
Sogreth1 votesEven if it's not toxic rarely is it fun. In my experience, the premade 4 never speaks to you and basically tries to play the game without you. If you call out one of them, then the game becomes a 9v1.
Why do you have to call people out? If you're doing that then you deserve the game to be a 9v1. Don't call people out. You know, something else that might help, stop going out of your way to see if you're queueing with premades. Stop using crap like lolnexus, just play the game. I probably play with permades a lot too, but I never research it, I play my game, I don't care if they are premade or not.
U LOSE ME WIN6 votesWhat i've noticed is they'll balance the teams, for example: if there is one diamond player they'll try to stick a diamond or at least a plat on the opposing team in order to somewhat balance it.
This is also unfair for the bronze players coming in and getting drop kicked by players that are on this game 24/7, and from personal experience i know that getting bitch slapped by a diamond player as a noob coming in is the most frustrating shit in the world. 
Junkο4 votesNo they don't balance the teams. A full team of under level 30 against a diamond and plat PREMADES is not balanced at all.
mi ramfan6 votesMost premades you encounter are not toxic or mismatched, but you only notice the ones that are toxic or have skewed skill levels.
Caezium4 votesThis.
Also an issue with his proposal is that, who the hell would want to be matched with promenades if they have ever had a bad experience with one? Eventually the premade Que would have no solos to work.
Yokel853 votesEveryone with no friends would just play that mode, which would make queues take longer for people that have friends. This isn't a single player game. It's meant to be played with a team.
Demacry2 votesEveryone with no friends would just play that mode, which would make queues take longer for people that have friends. This isn't a single player game. It's meant to be played with a team.
Then all these players with friends need to get together a complete team. None of us are able to do more than duo in ranked and my availability to play is so random that I haven't been able to keep the same partner for more than a few weeks at a stretch.
Our options for practicing for Solo Queue should not be "play Ranked Solo Queue" and nothing else.
Not even taking into account all of the high MMR players who queue with their sub-30 friends, having even a single sub-Gold-2 player in a normal game completely ruins the point of playing normals to practice and test.
We already have a custom game mode and blind pick options for players who just want to play with their friends in games that don't matter. At the very least make the Draft Normals queue work with the same matchmaking rules as ranked games.
Yokel852 votesIf you're trying to practice, wouldn't you want to play against higher rated players? I don't understand the problem there.
Demacry3 votesIf you're trying to practice, wouldn't you want to play against higher rated players? I don't understand the problem there.
Being Plat, I love the opportunity to play with higher ranked players but I also want to be able to practice/test things in an environment similar to the one I compete in. My issue with premades has less to do with playing vs the occasional diamond and more to do with having to play with a handicap on my or the enemy team.
Even if it's just a bronze support on a team with four platinum ranked players, that one player is a point of weakness; not warding correctly, not calling movements, misusing abilities and miss-positioning.
Most of the time I end up playing vs someone who's still trying to learn the game. When that happens he has a bad time because he's playing a mismatch that shouldn't of happened in the first place and I have a bad time because I'm wasting time pushing around new/low-tier players when I wanted to practice/test.
In the rare games where I lane vs an even match I enjoy the opportunity to really hash it out and practice but then the mid/late game happens and it comes down to "who's team has the dumber new player". Practicing LoL means more than just practicing lane mechanics. Testing the late game viability of certain champs is a moot objective if I go even in lane but my low tier jungler has been feeding the enemy ADC double buffs all game.
CaesarFlickerman3 votesThe "no friends" comment simply validates some of the things said here. Not every solo player is friendless. Some of us have clashing schedules. Some of us WANT to play alone. Nothing wrong with that.
Yokel851 votesYou can't play League alone. It's a 6 player game minimum (not counting co-op vs ai), and typically a 10 player game. Why should Riot cater to people who only want randoms in their games over the ones who actually want to play with people they know?
Demacry2 votesYou can't play League alone. It's a 6 player game minimum (not counting co-op vs ai), and typically a 10 player game. Why should Riot cater to people who only want randoms in their games over the ones who actually want to play with people they know?
It's a competitive online game. Saying you can't play it alone is a pretty ignorant statement. What if you were only allowed to play games if you had a full 5-man-premade? You would be forced to recruit real-life friends, forum hunt, and weed through the literal millions of players to put together a team of equally skilled players. Then you'd have to play enough games that the match maker could assign your team an MMR and accurately give you other teams to compete against.
The reason there is an automated queue is because if that was the only system in place then League of Legends would doubtlessly have never made it to be the success that it is. I'm confident in saying that if that was the system in place in today's current market then LoL's would not even be relevant.
Riot has established that system for people who want to do that kind of work. It's called the Custom Game Mode. The rest of us want a convenient and balanced system in place to help us find 5-9 other players of equal skill so that the game remains competitive and fair.
Yokel851 votesYou seem confused. I'm simply saying that, by the fact that it's a competitive online game, you can never play it alone. It requires other players to function.
Now, regardless of the matchmaking system layered on top of it, the underlying game is pretty clearly meant to be played as a team game, which implies cooperating with other players. It's easier to do that if you queue with people you know. It would be harder to get into games with people you know if there was a separate queue that only allowed solo players.
Is that more clear?
CaesarFlickerman1 votesAside from the fact that this is a bit of a silly argument, I'd venture to say that solo queue audiences make up for a bigger population of this game than strict teams.
That, and who wants to play with the same damn people all the time? That gets boring.
Trojaxx3 votesThere technically is already. All you have to do is create a Team Builder lobby and go from there. Guaranteed to not get matched with premades on your team then.
Mikal Pikal2 votesThis is the obvious solution that already exists. The downfall is longer queue time...but OP's suggestions would also increase queue times.
Tambergal2 votesI think they try to balance it out as much as they can try to throw higher levels into the non premade team, but i understand your pain :( I think queues may take longer if there's a mode for non premades since a lot of people play with their own friends. it could also make premade teams that need 1 or 2 more players hard to get people :/ No idea if I'm making any sense right now
FantasySniper2 votesDon't forget idiotic duos!
Sogreth2 votesNo. Stop crying about premades. Not their problem you don't have friends.
Seenan1 votes+10000000
Tit Master1 votescall it normals...... FOR GLORY!!!!!
SecretAgentHulk1 votesAs someone who tries to get his even less experienced friends to play, would smurfing keep that from happening? My understanding was that in a few games, even normals will adjust themselves to my level, but I'd really love to know. It sucks for that poor level 20 who's playing with his Diamond friend too.
