Shaco has to get changed/buffed V2 (Shaco only)

N0t even Cl0ne··7 votes·2,823 views

So I already made a post Regarding Shaco and AD Assassins in General and the changes I suggested on Shaco where made in the mind with my other suggestions being real, so here's a post about how to fix Shaco in this Meta without changing anything in particular about items/the game.

Passive

Revert Passive but nerf to 15% damage

Q

Revert Q damage to a safe Crit or enhanced Crit when critting by yourself

W

E

CD from 8s >>> 10/9/8/7/6 Change Damage from Phyiscal to Adaptive E AD Scaling from (+ 60 / 75 / 90 / 105 / 120% bonus AD) to (+ 60 / 75 / 90 / 105 / 120% AD) E AP Scaling from (+ 75% AP) to (60 / 70 / 80 / 90 / 100% AP) Make execute cap at 25% HP

R

Remove 3 Boxes from explosion Let Clone not get 1 hit by Turret Increase the Clone Explosion Radius Increase DMG from 200 / 300 / 400 >>> 300 / 450 /600 Let the Clone not just walk around when Shaco dies, make it like Tibbers, the Clone goes on the Champ who killed him.

So the Problem with Shaco is that Riot wanted to make Shaco a late game Champion with the Rework in Season 6, which made him very weird to play as he's supposed to be a Late game champ, meanwhile his Passive, W, E Slow and the 3 Boxes from ult are all for the early game (?) meanwhile the other half of his kit is for the late game, but the problem is that Shaco is actually a Midgame Champ!

That's why Shaco needs a new/old Passive to let Crit be viable and to actually increase his lategame Damage. The Q safe crit will help with that too.

One of the main Problems of Shaco is that his only real damage Spell just deals no damage :/ and even in the late game it's pretty bad as it has no good scalings, that's why Riot has to make it first of all Adaptive damage for AP Shaco, make AD Scaling total AD and give E an actual AP Scaling so AP Shaco is viable (I just changed exec to be capped at 25% because otherwhise they could just remove the execute or double it and let it be maxed at 0%).

Please tell me what you guys think of this and especially what you Rioters think about this? I don't think it would be too op, it would make AP viable and make Shaco an actual Late game Champ, exactly what Riot wanted him to be!

15 Comments

Jimmy Rustles4 votes

Shaco doesn't need buffs

N0t even Cl0ne4 votes

Why wouldn't he need buffs? the only thing Shaco is good at is abusing low elo........

Jimmy Rustles2 votes

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Why wouldn't he need buffs? the only thing Shaco is good at is abusing low elo........

Low elo is where his win rate is the worst

It goes up at higher ranks

N0t even Cl0ne2 votes

SURE ITS LOW WHEN RANDOM BRONZE PPL PLAY HIM LMAO only otps in high elo????

Jimmy Rustles1 votes

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SURE ITS LOW WHEN RANDOM BRONZE PPL PLAY HIM LMAO only otps in high elo????

Good argument

He's only good in low elo where he loses the majority of games, but moment you're higher than plat he has a great win rate cuz he only has OTP

Great story mark

N0t even Cl0ne3 votes

I mean ur Argument is literally WR that doeanst show anything, look at ryze or akali?? Shaco is god awful as ur literally allowed to do nothing, but I rly like how ppl complain about a champ they dont wvwn know nor understand, just look at his base dmg? How thefuck should shaco be op???

DJBlackVoice1 votes

People who got abused by shaco while in bronze just hate him because they still have nightmares. Ignore them, will just downvote and give excuse for them dying vs an unplayable champ

Jimmy Rustles2 votes

How is shaco god awful if he's good in basically every elo above silver?

Comparing him to ryze/akali doesn't make any sense at all, since akali is bad in every elo, and ryze just had his mini rework so people are relearning him

They don't need to buff a champion that see's success in almost every elo besides the bottom tier, no champions are getting buffs for that

N0t even Cl0ne2 votes

so how the fuck is shaco 'succesfull' in every elo? I rly don't get it? like Shaco is above d2 one of the most cancer champs that exist, he has no damage at all and there is basically no reason to pick him over any other champ

N0t even Cl0ne2 votes

btw why would u not buff a champ for actual elo? then why did Akali get nerfed, why did irelia get nerfed, why did ryze get reworked? Riot shouldn't fucking balance around low elo, where no one cares, bcs if they would care they would search WHY their 'OP' champ isn't OP in high elo? and then they would automatically get higher elo! There is no point in balancing around Low elo where no one fucking cares, you think anyone in low elo would stop playing their favourite champs just bcs they get nerfed? NO THEY DONT CARE, THEY DONT EVEN READ PATCH NOTES MOST OF THE TIME!

RaQqa2 votes

Comparing him to ryze/akali doesn't make any sense at all, since akali is bad in every elo, and ryze just had his mini rework so people are relearning him

Akali bad in every elo, I just laughed so hard, I would send u a mem with Tom Cruise laughing right now in this moment :D.

Shaco is played by low amount of players which, usually otp him thats why his win rate is above 50%. Any otp can get higher win rate than normal with a champion, even i got 56% winrate with Azir after countless games, maybe it's not much but it's above 50%.

Shaco capabilities are nothing compared to Rengar Khazix Evelynn . He only has good start with boxes, and just falls off to other junglers right in the moment. He has complicated kit which need to be used to fullest to actually be 1 on 1 against such a champions like above. Their kit is just fucking simple, they click QWER and overkill an target, while shaco has to go behind someone place a box to actually fear someone and deal few attacks just to deal maybe 70-80 of target hp. If he survives to late game, he may start actually do something, and is quite strong, but if u know games end fast right now.

I think he needs a rework, but the one to save his trickster gameplay, and actually to be stronger than current one.

Meteora7071 votes

people with 10 games on shaco reach 52,5% wr, must be the legendary one tricks I've been hearing of :)

RaQqa1 votes

LOL ITS 10 games. With 10 games i had 100% winrate on wukong, 80% on sol, and 90 on jax, 20% with azir. My first 10 games on azir were affected by trash team, so I had so low win rate. It all was just random staff.

52% with 10 games is trash win rate lmao. These guys just won or lost 1 game over the edge of 50%. They will climb or fall to the hell with this win rate. With small amount of games u either have high win ratio or below 50%. After playing countless games u will just go around 50% from both sides.

Win ratio is trash gauge, I don't know why people can't understand it. Winning the game is just a mix of anything, your team may suck, or u can have op team, dc, luck, players knowledge, skills. It's not about simple champion just to win the game.

LOOK TahmKench BUT BUT, he got only 49% winratio plat +. This champion is sure weak. I even don't know why whole boards are ranting about him. Stop looking at the numbers, and actually play few games with champions or vs him to see him in action, it's the best gauge to see how strong is champion.

When Irelia in previous season was 1v5 champion, and she get -5 ms nerf xD, because riot had their numbers. It's the same looking at the win ratio as the gauge of how strong is the champion.

Meteora7071 votes

oh cmon mate try to apply some logic to life lmao its not one guy having 52% wr after 10 games, its the average of all shaco players which is 10s of thousands of people with 100s of thousands of games lmao

Jimmy Rustles1 votes

Shaco has a good win rate in every elo above silver, along with a good pick rate

You go on saying he only has good win rates cuz everyone who plays him is a OTP, ignoring the fact he's picked more often than 50% of every jungler, that's not only OTP playing him, he's not Ivern levels of play

He's not this ultra rare pick that you see once ever 1000 games, he's a fairly common pick now in comparison to most jungler

Buffing him would do nothing but make his win rate go even higher, or possibly stay the same with his play rate going up

I legitimately can't think of a reason why you would buff a champion with a good playrate that sees success in all elos but silver and below

But please, keep going with the personal attacks because you don't like someone disagreeing with you and using facts

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