kayn

preternatural·Jun 25, 2019·5 votes·4,877 views

why is blue kayn allowed to literally run over my adc's and 2 shot them?

41 Comments

Darkdemon653Jun 25, 20194 votes

Blue Kayn complaints? We're really digging deep now.

preternaturalJun 25, 20193 votes

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Blue Kayn complaints? We're really digging deep now.

no one else get's to experience the same type of ability fluidity that kayn does, he can Q and W at the same damn time and there's only one dmg portion of each ability as opposed to a talon who has to wait for travel time on his W or zed with his shadow Q's. you know what, i'ma wait for ya'll to land your next blue kayn in a game, do not come to this thread to complain when you do cause i'll bring up this post of yours.

ContDeCaterinca1Jun 25, 20191 votes

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no one else get's to experience the same type of ability fluidity that kayn does, he can Q and W at the same damn time and there's only one dmg portion of each ability as opposed to a talon who has to wait for travel time on his W or zed with his shadow Q's. you know what, i'ma wait for ya'll to land your next blue kayn in a game, do not come to this thread to complain when you do cause i'll bring up this post of yours.

Rengar can cast 4 abilities in one animation during his ULT though.

preternaturalJun 25, 20191 votes

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can cast 4 abilities in one animation during his ULT though.

yeah but anyone can just be a serviceable support and stop rengar. you see this is what ya'll don't understand, there is counterplay against these other champions.

you can do that to a blue kayn too but his W cast will still happen, he can use his q to close the gap, hop inside with his ulti, literally WAIT for his Q AND W to come up again while in ult, and come out again and 2 shot whoever was trying to help the doomed team member too. we're not even gonna mention the wall running and it's healing component, which does not at all compare to talon's parkour cause with kayn the terrain is never on cooldown, he can walk through it as many times as his W (and Q) permit. no one else get's to do this, he doesn't have to commit actual utility to go about hopping through walls and running down ADC's with yomuu's and mobi's. and a note on his blue form W that has 0 negative utility, he doesn't have to stop moving to cast it and him casting it doesn't commit him to any animation, it has it's own separate animation divorced from his character model. red kayn does not do that, i can live with his kit no matter the sustain because if i move him away from me or the team he doesn't get his damage off. basically, i cannot impact a failstate on blue kayn's W, only the kayn player can, that's stupid. i can impact a failstate on any other number of assassins and their abilities but not blue kayn and his infinite chase potential and obscene terrain scaling, and sustain on demand even in blue form because the wall running provides sustain and it's not even GREY HEALTH, he can leave a fight with 2hp and come back 30 seconds later with 60%hp without backing if he so chooses to smite a jungle camp too.

ContDeCaterinca1Jun 25, 20191 votes

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yeah but anyone can just be a serviceable support and stop rengar. you see this is what ya'll don't understand, there is counterplay against these other champions.

you can do that to a blue kayn too but his W cast will still happen, he can use his q to close the gap, hop inside with his ulti, literally WAIT for his Q AND W to come up again while in ult, and come out again and 2 shot whoever was trying to help the doomed team member too. we're not even gonna mention the wall running and it's healing component, which does not at all compare to talon's parkour cause with kayn the terrain is never on cooldown, he can walk through it as many times as his W (and Q) permit. no one else get's to do this, he doesn't have to commit actual utility to go about hopping through walls and running down ADC's with yomuu's and mobi's. and a note on his blue form W that has 0 negative utility, he doesn't have to stop moving to cast it and him casting it doesn't commit him to any animation, it has it's own separate animation divorced from his character model. red kayn does not do that, i can live with his kit no matter the sustain because if i move him away from me or the team he doesn't get his damage off. basically, i cannot impact a failstate on blue kayn's W, only the kayn player can, that's stupid. i can impact a failstate on any other number of assassins and their abilities but not blue kayn and his infinite chase potential and obscene terrain scaling, and sustain on demand even in blue form because the wall running provides sustain and it's not even GREY HEALTH, he can leave a fight with 2hp and come back 30 seconds later with 60%hp without backing if he so chooses to smite a jungle camp too.

It was probably a mistake buffing his E I guess, cuz now he just sits on the flank every single teamfight and Q-W spams looking for picks before entering a wall again and again.

ThingamajigJun 25, 20191 votes

because he is assassin

preternaturalJun 25, 20192 votes

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because he is assassin

none of the other assassins get to do what he's doing, unless it's silver or lower. so why does he get to do it?

ThingamajigJun 25, 20191 votes

talon rengar khazix leblanc pyke want to know your location

zed and kat and akali aren't really good assassins at this point so don't even bother bringing them up

preternaturalJun 25, 20191 votes

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talon rengar khazix leblanc pyke want to know your location

zed and kat and akali aren't really good assassins at this point so don't even bother bringing them up

i can put all these champions in a failstate. they have scenarios where they fail that isn't solely dependent on them not goofing it up, it's dependent on me bringing it about. blue kayn does not have that, he's about as slippery as a zed and fizz baby with kha'zix iso damage on AEO and minimal (or no) cast times. also runs faster than singed and can run through walls while healing scaling on AD because why not, not as if the community doesn't already complain about strange AD scalings on champions like riven's shield.

ThingamajigJun 25, 20191 votes

and kayn has 2 skill shots imagine when those get flashed or dashed or he missaims

imagination

preternaturalJun 25, 20191 votes

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and kayn has 2 skill shots imagine when those get flashed or dashed or he missaims

imagination

so i have to commit a 6 minute summoner spell or the kayn must be bad? correct? if he misses then he just wall rides out generally, that's what the footage shows me. get's to heal while doing so too. also, if he gets someones flash, that is a success for him.

ThingamajigJun 25, 20191 votes

i remember very vividly blue kayn getting ccd by a tank/support and blowing up instantly

preternaturalJun 25, 20191 votes

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i remember very vividly blue kayn getting ccd by a tank/support and blowing up instantly

cause your tank is the ADC.

ThingamajigJun 25, 20191 votes

nop? lol

preternaturalJun 25, 20192 votes

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nop? lol

you do know there is no tank that stops a blue kayn from walking onto the ADC, because they're frontlining by the time he's flanking, and executing his flank maneuver is so much easier than anything else in the game cause he can literally come wall riding in from 3 screens away with mobi's and yomuu's.

ThingamajigJun 25, 20191 votes

i do know that im probably playing at an elo where the tank is doing his job and not blindly initiating and ignoring the backline threats

PhearBunnyJun 25, 20191 votes

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so i have to commit a 6 minute summoner spell or the kayn must be bad? correct? if he misses then he just wall rides out generally, that's what the footage shows me. get's to heal while doing so too. also, if he gets someones flash, that is a success for him.

no. just dash it. most ADCs have a dash. or just move.

The only reason Kayn is even playable is because he can Smite+Ult+reset in the very likely scenario that his skillshot misses.

preternaturalJun 25, 20191 votes

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no. just dash it. most ADCs have a dash. or just move.

The only reason Kayn is even playable is because he can Smite+Ult+reset in the very likely scenario that his skillshot misses.

doesn't work, mobi's and yomuu's means any retreating dash you can think of doesn't matter anymore.

PhearBunnyJun 25, 20191 votes

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doesn't work, mobi's and yomuu's means any retreating dash you can think of doesn't matter anymore.

sounds like a personal problem at this point.

preternaturalJun 25, 20191 votes

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sounds like a personal problem at this point.

i'm telling you the facts, i don't just say things about champion balance based off of one game, blue kayn has been doing this for a long time across all the elo's and today i wondered if anyone had a real answer as to why kayn is allowed to run down adc's and press 2 buttons on them to kill them. so far i've gotten

"have you seen these other champions" yes i've seen them, none of them compare to what kayn does in any direct manner aside from the end product of a dead carry, all of them have to work much harder to dead that carry, even the rengar who people are so averse to.

"but he requires mechanics" so does whichever other assassin you want to name.

"but tanks" what does a tank have to do with my ADC's being run down by blue kayn across a literal quarter of the map in seconds?

"but mah facts" yeah yeah same way some dude mentioned it was a fact that one would have to flash away or kayn would have to misplay his 2 abilities, great counterplay options for blue kayn. i said the same but allegedly i'm one of the few who actually see's it as a problem.

meanwhile everyone and their mother moaning about morde whom i can't even lose to anymore. kayn sitting there with a 50% winrate and 10% play rate, nocturne matches that winrate with a 2% play rate so only those in the church of nocturne can match any old random kayn on the rift. "oh but that's red kayn games" yeah get me the stats on that, cause i do just fine against the red kayn's and the blue ones make it a point to one shot the ADC on repeat through walls that no one else can just traverse through willfully.

Solutate KhazJun 25, 20191 votes

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talon rengar khazix leblanc pyke want to know your location

zed and kat and akali aren't really good assassins at this point so don't even bother bringing them up

None of them 1 shot as badly as blue kayn though

ThingamajigJun 25, 20191 votes

you mean to tell me all those rengar clips are a NASA conspiracy or what?

Solutate KhazJun 25, 20191 votes

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you mean to tell me all those rengar clips are a NASA conspiracy or what?

It is so much harder to get rengar fed, and even if he does, he needs his ulti for him to 1 shot like in a scrubnoob clip, kayn can legit just W auto someone from existence and walk away, or worse, continue to 1 shot everyone

ThingamajigJun 25, 20191 votes

it literally takes him 1 1100 gold item 1 shot with his R and blue kayn takes him to transform first which naturally means that he will not 1 shot you for a long time

Solutate KhazJun 25, 20191 votes

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it literally takes him 1 1100 gold item 1 shot with his R and blue kayn takes him to transform first which naturally means that he will not 1 shot you for a long time

ThingamajigJun 25, 20191 votes

when is the last time you did math bruv?

Solutate KhazJun 25, 20191 votes

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when is the last time you did math bruv?

Oof, bad opinions everywhere, whens the last time you did math bruh?

ThingamajigJun 25, 20191 votes

opinions don't matter when we are talking about facts

Solutate KhazJun 25, 20191 votes

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opinions don't matter when we are talking about facts

Good, you see that im right

PhearBunnyJun 25, 20191 votes

the only assassin worse than Blue Kayn is Nocturne.

Solutate KhazJun 25, 20191 votes

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why is blue kayn allowed to literally run over my adc's and 2 shot them?

Ignore everyone in here, i agree, blue kayns r%%%%%ed, only champ that can match his 1 shot is rengar, but he has to ulti, and is so much harder to get fed then kayn

preternaturalJun 25, 20191 votes

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Ignore everyone in here, i agree, blue kayns r%%%%%ed, only champ that can match his 1 shot is rengar, but he has to ulti, and is so much harder to get fed then kayn

exactly, rengar has to commit his mobile brush utility to do his 1 shot. literally anyone has to commit major utility to do what blue kayn get's to do, not kayn though, the most he might have to commit is his yomuu's cooldown tbfh and it makes me sick to watch it. every single time this shit happens.

adc is peacefully doing red, even has the support with them for safety.
kayn hopped over dragon or baron wall and then ghosted through the jungle wall en route to red buff.
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dead, everyone is dead, happens in seconds, the ADC doesn't even have the move speed to run away if he so decides to abandon the red buff.

it happens so quick with his yomuu's and mobi's up, what exactly is my bottom lane supposed to do against that? he's been doing this for months, i thought since i hadn't seen him in a while something was awry, nope, turns out folks just like going red kayn because he's safer, but if you can execute with blue kayn it's not even a game.

Solutate KhazJun 25, 20191 votes

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exactly, rengar has to commit his mobile brush utility to do his 1 shot. literally anyone has to commit major utility to do what blue kayn get's to do, not kayn though, the most he might have to commit is his yomuu's cooldown tbfh and it makes me sick to watch it. every single time this shit happens.

adc is peacefully doing red, even has the support with them for safety.

kayn hopped over dragon or baron wall and then ghosted through the jungle wall en route to red buff.

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dead, everyone is dead, happens in seconds, the ADC doesn't even have the move speed to run away if he so decides to abandon the red buff.

it happens so quick with his yomuu's and mobi's up, what exactly is my bottom lane supposed to do against that? he's been doing this for months, i thought since i hadn't seen him in a while something was awry, nope, turns out folks just like going red kayn because he's safer, but if you can execute with blue kayn it's not even a game.

I agree

AR URFJun 25, 20191 votes

takes no skill to play.

AR URFJun 25, 20191 votes

anyway if you want me to be constructive. My whole issue with kayn is that you can avoid all his attacks. But if he summoner 11 you. he can use his ult and reset all his abilities.

PhearBunnyJun 25, 20191 votes

Are we also ignoring the fact that base form Kayn is a glamorized cannon minion that needs alot of luck just to have a possibility of ever hitting his mid game powerspike that lasts for like 2minutes?

5or6storesJun 25, 20191 votes

I've never understood the counterplay to kayn running out of a wall and oneshotting you. Positioning doesn't even matter.

PhearBunnyJun 25, 20191 votes

Kayn doesn't deal enough damage to 1shot you from over a wall, unless hes outlandishly ahead. Base Kayn is so weak, he has to be a much better player or just very lucky to have a lot of uptime on his mid game powerspike. Kayn has a average 2minute mid game powerspike(IF HE EVEN HITS IT IN TIME) sometimes doesn't powerspike at all.

You can literally just build Ninja Tabi and exposing himself to full comboing you becomes more dangerous to him, than it is to you.

Fear the KaynJun 25, 20191 votes

Learn proper warding and stop warding the same spots, that's how you beat Kayn

Also he's sub 50% WR plat+ and he's known for being one of the most balanced champions Riot has ever made, seeing very few balance changes since his release. Stop complaining and learn to abuse him when he's weak for the first quarter of the game.

theChibiTinaJun 25, 20191 votes

Blue Kayn isn't really good if he's behind or if the enemy has 2+ tanks/bruisers. The enemy team has to be mostly squishies and he has to be able to get ahead. Thing is, people forget that you can get fed from farm and kayn has one of the best jungle clears. So he goes practically non-existent except to gank for passive and then comes out ten minutes later fed on farm, one-shotting because no one paid him any mind since it didn't seem like he was doing anything.