Kha'zix needs buffs in 6.3 not anymore QoL buffs. IMO he needs buffs to scaling / isolation

Nutty··44 votes·6,503 views

Hi guys Nutty Master tier kha'zix OTP here. You might know me or you might not but i want to discuss Kha'zix. Currently he doesn't have a role like he use to. Season 5 even though it was tank meta Kha was perfectly balanced and thrived at picking out isolated alone low health targets. He would get rewarded for good play by doing so much damage on isolated targets you could get in and out. Punished for bad play by jumping isolated targets that had friends near by but just not close enough to stop isolation.

Currently on patch 6.2 he can't even do his job of assassinating anymore. I'm 90% sure this is due to the lack of armor pen in the game now and taking out Last whisper Kha no longer feels like a late game champ he feels just decent in the mid game and that's it. His early game is meh if the enemy team plays smart and his late game just feels so bad now. I'm afraid to admit it but currently tank / bruiser kha is better than assassin built kha right now. You can go steraks, deadmans, blackcleaver for the best 1v1 brawling and less chance of dying. The other day I had the best game i've ever played as Kha. I started 11/0/5 and we were up 5 towers and the score was 20 to 9. I solo carried the game but they had Gangplank and ezreal so they literally just out scaled us because I couldnt dive or do anything they could straight up just win a teamfight no matter how ahead we are. Even at 11/0/5 i felt beyond useless at that point i played the entire game perfect but it didnt matter how good i player simply because i picked Kha'zix we lost the game..

I miss season 5 Kha where he was meant to be an assassin built straight damage and hard to play. Now I cant get rewarded for any good plays i make because Kha simply can't do his job anymore. I've had countless times where i thought to myself "okay im 4/0 theyre only 1/2 and theyre isolated im up 2 items so i can 1v1 them" i play the fight perfectly but still lose and die in a 1v1 just because they picked a better champion then me. It's literally been driving me crazy Kha's current state and I want to see change. I've tried to reach out to multiple Rioters but they either never respond or respond once with "New assassin item coming out soon he wont see buffs till after" THE ITEM WONT EVEN BE BUILT ON HIM. I promise you when that item comes out it wont be built on Kha unless it sees changes to fit him more.

Now with all that said I don't want an overbuff or some MONSTER buff. I just want a slight tune in numbers so he can get rewarded for play. I think Kha'zix is 100% smooth as is he doesnt need anymore QoL changes or it's just going to make him overloarded or clunky. Tbh i think they should revert the W buff in patch 6.2 (keep the R because it's actually useful in 0.0001% of situations). I just want riot to actually buff him on 6.3 come to me or post about it and receive feedback instead of these under the counter buffs they've been adding that literally do nothing.

Kha is in desperate needs of buffs but he needs buffs to his isolation and scaling so he cant be built tank again. I miss my bug and I've taken a break from streaming and everything just because i cant play kha right now. It's really upsetting and I hope i get feedback from riot soon to show they know and care about Kha and all Kha players. Sorry if the formatting or something is messed up I literally never post on boards

68 Comments

Darius Strada11 votes

When i first bought Kha'Zix in S3 I loved to play has him.Now I'm always afraid of playing him, fearing I will be beyond useless to my team.The only time he does good damage it's when someone is isolated where other assassins can do good damage all the time.

Remlap12232 votes

You need to stop making stuff up to prove a point.

Kha'Zix can't even assassinate an ADC with isolation in effect. In the few games where there has been a Kha'Zix, he couldn't even solo a Miss Fortune.

LuunaLily3 votes

Kha'Zix can't even assassinate an ADC with isolation in effect. In the few games where there has been a Kha'Zix, he couldn't even solo a Miss Fortune.

I don't know how you're building Kha, but I've had quite a bit of success on him. The isolation radius is so small, you just can't initiate. He has lots of sustain if you go deaths dance/hydra and can easily burst down an adc for almost half their health with just the q alone. Pair that with your ult so they can't hit you to lifesteal and unseen threat procs; adc's barely get the chance to touch you.

His isolation mechanic is super strong, and I go 40% cdr with him and have something like a 1.8 sec cd on his q. You can duel most fighters and juggernauts easily if you position yourself and kite properly.

Scoroct1 votes

not to say he couldnt use buffs but i agree, you know how people say essence reaver was made almost as if for lucian, deaths dance is basically the same for kha. i get it after ghostblade and feel like a beast with it

LuunaLily1 votes

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not to say he couldnt use buffs but i agree, you know how people say essence reaver was made almost as if for lucian, deaths dance is basically the same for kha. i get it after ghostblade and feel like a beast with it

Though having the tiamant in your inventory just for the active is nice too! I usually get it before ghostblade or malmortius

Dawaraven1 votes

Er what? What kind of shit khazix do you play with. I frequently assassinate ADC that arent ezreal/vayne RELIABLY with isolation while being BEHIND.

9kPluzZ1 votes

Plz, no khaziks is fine. Great even. if you can't assassinate you are playing him wrong. I had games as him where I gone 25 kill plus. I'm getting tired of people thinking champs are is weak when they are fine, and riot buffs them in to op tier. I can't play op champs. You can take jax, garen, and graves. BUT PLZ LET ME KEEP KHA...

Dawaraven1 votes

Agree

Akali is SO HOT8 votes

He's been buffed 2 patches in a row. Any more buffs and he'll be top tier pick/ban again which nobody wants. He's perfectly fine

Silents4291 votes

Even before those patches Stonewall commented that Kha is still workable.

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

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Even before those patches Stonewall commented that Kha is still workable.

However the meta has shifted into early rotation team hard engage. You can't isolate inside a most pit nor even attempt to jump in it.

CppL4 votes

If you buff his isolation dmg he"s gonna start 1shot squises with a single Q...

Dawaraven1 votes

He does this already. Stop building pussy bruiser builds.

Steel Blossom3 votes

I just hate the entire concept of isolation. Why the fuck do you have to wait for your enemy to step completely away from all allies and minions to begin dealing damage? Zed doesn't. Neither does Rengar, or Leblanc, or Kass, or Katarina, or even Master Yi. It's stupid, and unless the isolation damage is buffed to the point where he can literally 100-0 anybody with Q+passive auto or something of that caliber, it will be worthless.

Dawaraven1 votes

1st off. Only kat/yi has resets of those, yi isnt an assassin, and kat cant 100-0 unless she is fed.

2nd. Khazix literally can 1shot someone with W, E, into explosion, Q, auto w passive. Stop building him offtank.

Steel Blossom1 votes

huh, funny how that combo never seems to work without isolation. And Yi is an assassin. Riot said so, and thats how people have been playing him until devourer.

9kPluzZ3 votes

"Kha can't assassinate lategame" item 3078 item 3074 item 3071 item 3812 Q<critical auto oneshots... from stealth..... with a free escape afterwards.......... "In desperate needs of buffs"

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Dawaraven1 votes

getting deaths dance and triforce

cuck detected

why not youumus and maw.

Chumbles2 votes

These are the exact problems with KhaZix, hopefully someone from Riot will see this and finally fix him to where he has his own play style/identity Khazix Khazix Khazix

Dawaraven1 votes

I looked really hard but I just couldnt find any other AD reset assassins.

PowerSafety2 votes

So true! Kha needs Buff!

Frank The Dank2 votes

I think like you said the way armor pen is now a days it really hurt it, you don't even get it from the jungle item anymore and last whisper was core on him since it let you actually do damage. I feel as though they have to lower his isolation range so you can actually get it off in fights and either buff his ult in some way or make a better item of pen that allows him to at least do some damage.

Dawaraven1 votes

Build him tiamat (NOT HYDRA) - ghostblade - t1 boots - maw - cleaver - merc scim - hydra

Tell me more about the 50 flat armour pen and lack of damage.

Max R Q W E

Evolve Q E R

Very Hard Engage2 votes

i rate him a 3/10, love the theme and kit, i just think he needs some lower CD's on Q + W so he can get needed resets while ulting + invis'd.

Dawaraven1 votes

Get 40% CDR. Youumus + cleaver + 10% CD runes. Puts Q on 2 second CD. Evolve ult, 2 second invis.

Toru Itai2 votes

i think he needs 1 more QoL buff. makes Isolation inly go away if they're near another CHAMPION. no more of this minion nonsense.

XeroKimo2 votes

Seems kinds of op for early game then, especially if you evolve q first,

Make it so like once you invest on 3 evolution points that happens

A Miss Fortune1 votes

If they buff Kha'zix can they make his Isolation on his Q have realistic range? My teammates need to be on top of me or i'll get "Isolated" and it feels kind of stupid.

"PASSIVE: Kha'Zix marks all visible enemies who aren't accompanied by any of their allies nearby as isolated."

He probably sucks at long distance relationships if he finds being a meter apart as "isolation".

Dawaraven1 votes

Have u played him recently? His iso ranges are fine. It was only bad after the really bad nerfs ages ago.

Widder881 votes

Kha'Zix needs a nerf imo.

Dawaraven1 votes

Why??

Widder881 votes

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Why??

His damage is difficult to survive. He has stealth and a jump top gapclose, and stealth and a jump to escape. He also is good at kiting, and has some sustain.

The combination of high damage and safety is too much. If he has so much damage, he should be more easy to delete. If he has so much surviveability, he should not have that much damage.

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

As a fellow kha player, gl getting anything across about kha on these boards.

You're better off on reddit.

Nutty1 votes

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As a fellow kha player, gl getting anything across about kha on these boards.

You're better off on reddit.

I tried reddit and got front page but no one from riot listened. Not even on the boards and tweeting at them will they listen. Kind of upsetting. Idk RIP kha'zix after they overbuff him or leave him in the dumpster like this

Dawaraven1 votes

If you were actually a kha player you would know he is fine. Nutty is challenger, im sure its hard to play kha there, but hes fine in other elos.

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

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If you were actually a kha player you would know he is fine. Nutty is challenger, im sure its hard to play kha there, but hes fine in other elos.

Based on what? Oh right you are just throwing out your opinion against the rest of us who actually play it.

Sairentosutoka1 votes

everyone saying kha'zix can assassinate let me ask are you building him an assassin or are you building him like every jungler where you get 2 dmg items then full tank. if you build as an assassin you will have no problems assassinating people with or without isolation.

Dawaraven1 votes

^ agree

Veraska1 votes

I've been playing more kha'zix as I played him a lot through season 3 and 4 when he was bonkers good and I agree with most your points he feels like a bad pick because he's terrible in full teamfights, it's like picking shaco.

That said the only thing I disagree with are buffs that would allow him to be tankier, if anything I'd just want to be rewarded more for full damage builds, make my non isolated q do something so I can function in teamfights (I really miss my execution damage)

Of course I'm unranked so take my word with a grain of salt, I just wanna play khazix and not feel like I'm hurting my team

Dawaraven1 votes

If you feel like you are missing damage in teamfights, try this combo.

W - E into explosion - Q midair - hydra just before you land - auto w passive - ult - immediate auto with passive if it will be lethal.

Build fulldamage.

Enrovy1 votes

I dont know if its just me, or kha doesnt exactly sustain well in current jungle, didnt play him enough

Dawaraven1 votes

Its not good after purple smite removal you are right.

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

"Currently on patch 6.2 he can't even do his job of assassinating anymore."

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Jungle&sortBy=general.kills&order=descend He's in the top 5 among all junglers for kills. But you said it your self your a Kha'zix one trick pony, to You Kha'zix isn't viable or strong until he is at pick/ban status.

Mael bro1 votes

Dear OP,

We already have a LeeSin and a Zed in every game might as well add Kha'Zix to that list amirite? People asking for buffs really forgot the S3 and S4 Kha, which was the most obnoxious assassin ever made. The thing that separates Khazix from LeeSin and Zed is that he is an extremely facerolly low skillcap champion, that is extremely easy to abuse. I call him the Leona of Assassins. You may not have any game knowledge, but as long as you know his initial spell rotation, you are God. The new assassin dagger item would overcompensate his nerfs through the years and would make him even more overpowered. But since RIOT is considering buffing facerolly champions XinZhao Akali , might was well add Khazix to that list.

Dawaraven1 votes

Khazix has slightly less mechanics than the other assassins, but he revolves ENTIRELY on game knowledge.

Dawaraven1 votes

What champion is it physically possible to lose a 1v1 in isolation too when you are 4/0 and they are 1/2?

Aezanthya1 votes

Put the damage buff on his leap. That way he can either : jump away but lose a chunk of his damage or all in you and be rewarded by that.

if you put everything into his q/auto.... you're just making him a one button champ.

Enrovy1 votes

I know that purple smite clears too fast, then why not just give all jg items a aoe smite on monsters (but with no hp mp)

My Names Gumbas1 votes

The best buff they can give khazix its his damage reduction on R back, or a huge boost to his late game damage.

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