This is just so sad. RN marksmen are so undeniably weak that they're being replaced by mages (Moslty Ziggs).
I believe it is mostly because in this season literally everything beats a marksman.
I also believe it might be because the ''safer'' adcs such as Trist & Lucian aren't really that good rn, but that I might be wrong.
Plz fix Riot. A roll is literally being removed sooner or later if this is not fixed.
Big Lincoln4 votesone mage goes bot because he can take towers early and marksman mains claim they're being replaced
why are ADCs unable to handle lane competition?
AlligatorFarts1 votesBecause they are useless until the 20 minute mark or more
Big Lincoln3 votesPoor ADCs, having to make a trade off for being the strongest late game class
AlligatorFarts1 votesHighest DPS* late game class. FTFY
They can still get shit on by assasins and certain initiators if their team doesn't help them. The changes to QSS really just started the downhill spiral of adc's
Big Lincoln1 votesthey should not have anything remotely decent to a strong early game with current scaling
their itemization is pretty shit just for lack of many options, but ADCs are not irrelevant
R0XTAR1 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hXzX4NdA,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-01-07T08:46:37.395+0000)
Poor ADCs, having to make a trade off for being the strongest late game class
Okay. Time to put your money where your toxic ass mouth is. I'll force you to play Vayne against a Riven Yasuo bottom lane.
Win.
I'll wait. 
Don't talk crap about a lane that you probably barely even play. Ziggs is not healthy in bot lane no matter how you slice it.
Big Lincoln1 votestoxic how? fee fees hurt?
saying marksman have to make a trade off for their late game is toxic and talking crap now?
AlligatorFarts2 votes[{quoted}](name=eX Roxtar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hXzX4NdA,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-07T08:50:18.029+0000) Ziggs is not healthy in bot lane no matter how you slice it.
http://i.imgur.com/DpQ9YJl.png Riot themselves ever said that they like the idea of other roles fulfilling the marksman position and want ziggs adc to stay.
R0XTAR1 voteshttp://i.imgur.com/DpQ9YJl.png Riot themselves ever said that they like the idea of other roles fulfilling the marksman position and want ziggs adc to stay.
But they ALSO said "we are gathering data on whether or not Ziggs is unhealthy in the bot lane. There could be potential nerfs in 7.2 or 7.3."
AlligatorFarts1 votesThat was when he was first becoming popular, in the pbe patch notes today, they said otherwise
R0XTAR1 votesThat was when he was first becoming popular, in the pbe patch notes today, they said otherwise
"We’ll be keeping a really close eye on Ziggs bot lane. Assuming it stays healthy and interesting it’s something we’d want to support if it looks like a viable thing. "
1.) It is interesting and viable. 2.) It's damn near drinking bleach for adc's to deal with! I mean, the ability to take a double kill bot lane, tower, AND dragon all before 5 to 6 minutes is not healthy. (That's assuming he is a good Ziggs along with his support laner and a jungler ganks bottom lane for them as well.)
AlligatorFarts1 votes[{quoted}](name=eX Roxtar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hXzX4NdA,comment-id=00020000000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-07T09:15:28.232+0000)
I mean, the ability to take a double kill bot lane, tower, AND dragon all before 5 to 6 minutes is not healthy. (That's assuming he is a good Ziggs along with his support laner and a jungler ganks bottom lane for them as well.)
What???? Any adc can do that with a successful jungle gank, and ziggs cannot take that tower AND drag in the first 6 mins
Dionesus1 votes[{quoted}](name=eX Roxtar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hXzX4NdA,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-07T08:50:18.029+0000)
Okay. Time to put your money where your toxic ass mouth is. I'll force you to play Vayne against a Riven Yasuo bottom lane.
Win.
I'll wait.
You think that statement is toxic?! Are you serious? Wow...he literally stated a fact. In general, adcs don't come online until mid to late game. So being weak early game is a trade off. You need a little thicker skin if you are gonna dwell in the internets bro.
R0XTAR2 votes"unable to handle competition"
I've had ranked games where Yasuo and Riven are bot lane against a Vayne and Soraka.
All I'm saying is that it is not competition: it is just unhealthy. It's not meta, Ziggs is taking towers with team before 5 minutes, snowballing the game bot lane with the FB gold from tower.
Team's that kill and get first tower gold have a 25 percent higher chance of winning the game (72~ win rate with First Blood gold).
There's a reason this game is so unbalanced atm.
VeryCoolNinja21 votesThank you. So many here believe I dont like when something is different. That is not the case, it is just that it feels stupid to play against it.
R0XTAR1 votesLucian and Corki aren't bad atm, they just make bad plays.
Maining both of them for ADC myself, you just have to wait for openings or play more passive.
Now ZIGGS on the other hand can go die in a hole. Rito hasn't done anything to provoke healthy gameplay and are letting the meta fall into the hands of the mages bot lane.
Now where's my popcorn?
TequilaZombie1 votesYeah Riot, give a look at ADCs! Can't wait for them to receive an Assassin Class Update treatment!
AlligatorFarts1 votesWhat exactly was wrong with that class update besides rengar and his cc immunity?
VeryCoolNinja21 votesShaco. It seriously made him gave him less counterplay. You don't know if he ganks or not, you just have to ward his jungle and if you find him, assume he is coming to you.
AlligatorFarts1 votesSome are getting buffs next patch, eg- lucian and draven. They're looking to buff more and nerf CoC. Also they're looking to reduce pressure from the jungler. T'will all be fixed soon
TabsDabsBooty1 votesTbh it's all about positioning, if you're the type of adc to go melee range and auto you should try to play a different role. Yea ziggs bot is powerful because he destroys towers but you could also counterpick it with a high dmg long range sup. In my eyes leblanc both is probably the dirtiest thing I have seen
Banana Nations1 votesa lot of it is itemezation sucks ass ( how do i spell that word)
VeryCoolNinja21 votesitemization :). Close enough lol. Yeah I agree, ever since armor pen sort of left almost every adc fell out of the meta.
Ahristocats1 voteshey're being replaced by A SINGLE MAGE
Jax being replaced by camille i don't see a "buff jax thread" assassins are replaced by divers i don't see a buff assassins thread Sona is being replaced by every supports i don't see a buff sona thread
ziggs is playing instead of an adc "buff marksmen please riot"
VeryCoolNinja21 votesNot only Ziggs though. Ziggs is just the most common.
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VeryCoolNinja21 votesI'm not biased, I OTP Irelia. I just find it stupid af to see ADCs struggle in lane against other of their laners when ADCS are supposed to beat ADCS. Might sound a bit odd but: The only role that the ADC can beat before 25+ minutes are other adcs. Ziggs, Viktor, Orianna and all these mages in the game make it impossible for adcs to survive laning phase. Try out Ziggs bottom lane, see how stupidly broken it is cause noone can do anything against it.
