To sum it up, is this a buff or nerf?
Passive - Sunlight MARK DURATION 3.5 seconds ⇒ 1.5 seconds DAMAGE 20-105 (at levels 1-18) ⇒ 25-144 (at levels 1-18)
Q - Shield of Daybreak COOLDOWN 9/8/7/6/5 seconds ⇒ 6 seconds
Bladerunner77774 votesLeona was bad and is bad so...
Nothing changes, just Riot stroking themselves here
jwebb01132 votesits more damage on passive...
and lower cd at lower ranks of Q
how could it be a nerf?
Salron1 votesduration on passive more than halved, meaning sometimes allies will miss out on a proc
jwebb01131 votesso allies need to be better at following up
and the leona n her teammates need to coordinate better so those who are bad will miss on damage... those who arent will be fine
Weizi4 votesits more damage on passive...
and lower cd at lower ranks of Q
how could it be a nerf?
The lower duration on her passive is HUGE...
Missing 1 passive proc is the equivalent of missing the "entire passive damage buff" and since it goes from 3.5 sec -> 1.5, the chances of this occurring is huge. Missing 2 or more proc will become a nerf....however, her Q is a buff, so that's why I created this thread to ask since I wasn't sure myself.
jwebb01131 voteswell just for curiosity
in the last 7 days in plat + http://imgur.com/a/GWk4X
shows that on 8-21-2017 her win rate was 47.62% pick rate 6.16% and as of today 8-25-2017 her win rate 51.94% and pick rate 8.93%
so her win rate went up roughly 4% and her pick rate increased 2.6%
i guess they clearly nerfed her
Weizi1 voteswell just for curiosity
in the last 7 days in plat + http://imgur.com/a/GWk4X
shows that on 8-21-2017 her win rate was 47.62% pick rate 6.16% and as of today 8-25-2017 her win rate 51.94% and pick rate 8.93%
so her win rate went up roughly 4% and her pick rate increased 2.6%
i guess they clearly nerfed her
If her win rate increased, I fail to see why your conclusion is she was "nerfed"?
jwebb01131 votesi never said it was a nerf
jwebb0113 (NA) - about an hour ago its more damage on passive...
and lower cd at lower ranks of Q
how could it be a nerf?
Luna Ather Solis1 votesits more damage on passive...
and lower cd at lower ranks of Q
how could it be a nerf?
its a buff to early game but late game its a nerf because before at max cdr leona q would be on 2 cool down but not anymore
jwebb01131 voteshow is it a nerf to late game when its the same cooldown ?
Hellpyre2 votesThe cooldown is the same as the previous rank 4 cooldown, not the rank 5 cooldown.
jwebb01131 votes9/8/7/6/5 seconds ⇒ 6 seconds
that is the change...
so how is it a nerf to late game as Aureus leo Noir (NA) - about 12 hours ago states " its a buff to early game but late game its a nerf because before at max cdr leona q would be on 2 cool down but not anymore "
with CDR it will still be a lower cooldown... so if you have 40% cdr on leona and its a 6 second cd as it is ... that would make it have a 3.6 second cd then at max rank when it goes to 5 seconds it would be a 3 second cooldown
and its still practically the same... 6 seconds /5 seconds it dont matter cuz no you will take 1 point in the ability and max it last cuz of the 6 cd that 5th point in it dont mean anything cuz by the time you get to lvl 18 to have 5 points in it you should already have maxed out CDR and it dont matter between a 3.6 sec or a 3 sec cool down
Hellpyre1 votesIt actually matters quite a bit, since after her entrance her ability to lock people down with her Q is the biggest part of her contribution to a fight. I'd call a 20% increase to the cooldown a significantly noticeable power bump in the late game,
jwebb01131 votesits still not a nerf no matter how you look at it
Hellpyre1 votesIt is indeed a nerf in the late game. I think the buff in the early-to-mid game outweighs it, but it is certainly a nerf. Whereas I think to passive change is much more debatable, but probably ends up a net buff.
jwebb01131 votesexplain how it nerfs late game... they didnt change any thing about it late game
Hellpyre2 votesIt has a 20% higher CD in the late game. That is a nerf. It's probably more than balanced out by the by the massive early game buff, but that doesn't make it not a nerf.
jwebb01131 votesTHEY DIDNT CHANGE IT ... ITS THE SAME IT ALWAYS WAS BEFORE THEY LOWERED THE CD AT LOWER RANKS...
SO HOW IS SOMETHING THEY DIDNT CHANGE A NERF ?
Hellpyre1 votesIt used to scale down to 5 seconds. Now it is always 6.
5 < 6
Why is this unclear to you?
jwebb01131 voteswith CDR it will still be a lower cooldown... so if you have 40% cdr on leona and its a 6 second cd as it is ... that would make it have a 3.6 second cd
and you max it last , so the only point it makes any fukin difference is at lvl 18
and most games a support isnt getting to lvl 18
so you will never fukin notice it...
its a buff
Hellpyre1 votesExcept you weren't maxing it last before the change. So you'd be noticing it from level 9 or 13, depending on your lane priorities.
I'm not saying the overall change isn't a buff, I'm saying that it is specifically a nerf to Q in the late game.
jwebb01131 votesbut u are now...
so its not a nerf
NahDogSolRahn2 votesthis is why she needs a real passive, "Sunlight" almost falls into the same catagory as lissandra's "Iceborn" free spell, pretty well useless.
Trap or a Trick1 votesmore damage + more stuns = nerf ecks dee
Sp33d Zer01 votesMassive buff.
DunkinNoobs1 votesIt was a very significant buff, especially to her early and mid game. Winrates up about 3-4% so far.
Titanium701 votesIn laning it's a clear Buff - especially if the ADC is somewhat capeable.
In Late it is a nerf, but that's nothing to worry about.
Weeb Lord Sensei1 votesTake it from the god damn Leo main who's win rate went to 75% since her tweak, it's a buff, her Q CD let's you max E second instead of Q, and you can stick on targets way easier, also, Leo is all about her early game, if you didn't get your ADC 3+ kills pre 15 mins, you failed as a Leo, so these buffs have helped a ton, BUFFS THAT IS