Why do tanks do more damage early game than pure damage dealers, riot?

Taunme·1/6/2016, 9:57:53 PM·2 votes·1,230 views

I played as Talon top lane to a Tahm Kench. At the beginning of the game, we had decent trades. Non of us had died, i had more farm and experience by level 6. At first back, Tahm Kench goes for straight armour to counter my damage, in which I buy some sustain. I have Tiamat by 10 minutes into the game, and he is building into a Sunfire Cape. At this point all I am trying to do is poke him with my W and get him low enough to pop his shield. He has roughly 500 hp at this point and I'm using Corruption Potion to regenerate some mana back. He has two stacks on me at this point, he then proceeds to flash over the minions, use is tongue to slow me then auto me one more time. I have 500 health at this point. He then eats me, dealing roughly 200 or so damage, causing me to W, ult, and run away. He still has roughly 300 hp. I don't understand why this champion, building only armour, can do significant amounts of damage. Again, he has ZERO damage items and yet he does SO MUCH damage. Riot, you clearly don't understand what a tank is. Because tanks don't do damage. It makes no sense. I poked him down, I stayed clear of him, and yet for no reason at all, he still does incredible amounts of damage. Fix this riot. Prove to us you can do something right.

17 Comments

The Sword Saint1/6/2016, 10:08:25 PM8 votes

Your argument is flawed. You build damage vs squishy targets, he built defense. You didn't build defense. Of course anyone's base damage is going to hurt you, you didn't build to take less damage. You built to do more damage to squishy targets. If you want to do more damage to tanky targets you need anti tank items.

Cindikle1/6/2016, 10:05:25 PM5 votes

No unit in this game means little to no damage unless you built wrong or had to build wrong. A tank is there to take the heat. But if they are not a threat, teams will ignore them. That's why tanks have strong base damages. To remain a threat.

Tahm is a bad example too. He's currently a bit too strong. He also did build damage. His ult gives his abilities and basic attacks bonus magic damage based on his bonus HP. Sunfire not only counters your damage for him. But it gives him that AoE damage and bonus magic damage through passive.

Defense is also easier to build than damage but scales less overall. So if you couldn't overpower him before he got 6 and an item that counters you. You lost lane. As you'll need a lot of gold to overpower his cheaper options. By not being able to beat him early, he won lane by default.

Mecha MaIphite1/6/2016, 10:08:56 PM4 votes

Talon early game is kind of shit when you're against a bruiser/tank, and it usually doesn't get much better. So Talon top is generally a bad idea.

dangopee1/6/2016, 9:59:41 PM3 votes

I don't disagree but to be fair TahmKench is just plain broken right now and is in serious need of balancing.

BluePolarizer1/7/2016, 4:06:06 AM1 votes

They don't. You just died to their low base damage since you are squishy and outtanked you. It is mathematically impossible for Tahm to do more damage than Talon to the same target and with the same gold, the difference is that if the target lives and fights back Talon is probably dead.

MasterSomething1/6/2016, 10:48:36 PM1 votes

Tanks CAN do damage. It is called SUSTAINED damage. Think of an ADC, but add utility with less damage, and boom. Tanks do so much damage because they are always left unchecked during teamfights- the focus should be the carries, not the one peeling.

Aeolian Melodies1/7/2016, 2:06:12 AM1 votes

Because tank need decent bases to be able to do anything as they will not itemize for dmg.

Dmg dealers typically have lower bases due to their scalings + the fact that they will itemize for dmg.

That, plus the fact that tanks have better defensive stats than dmg dealers so in a straight up fight tanks can outrade.

insaiyanbacca1/7/2016, 4:04:36 AM1 votes

Have you seen irl tanks? Those things do dmg. Side note talon is crap early and tanks have good early dmg to make up for their crap dmg late.