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Let's talk about Vayne

TigerMama Gemgem··3 votes·293 views

Vayne High AD ratios. Free AD steriod with an invis so short a pink hardly does anything because you're already dead. Stun (personally I think this should always be kept on her as an ADC-assassin hybrid). %hp true damage.

Yes, I get it. She's a lategame ADC, but everytime I see her played on my or the other team, they are absolutely chunking people during early and mid midgame. For mages, this feels really weird because mages suddenly become less useful and more of cc machines (same can be said of Draven in midgame). For tanks... they all get screwed because of the % damage and botrk. Fighters panick to kill her and heaven forbid no one is strong enough to kill her. Assassins "might" kill her if they did decent in lane, but if not then bye bye. ADC is suddenly useless because free roids.

My personal solution idea is to reduce her midgame AD steroid on ult by 10 and her max level ult steroid by 10 at least. Additionally her w would no longer to % damage, but do slightly higher base numbers. Her q is fine and her e seems to be fine.

Why do I bring it up? I'm tired of seeing non-fed vayne magically 5 shot me with 400 armor and 3000 hp... Then again... pretty sure our ADC got 2 shot. "Counterplay."

Am I butthurt? I will admit, just a little. Kinda wish ADCs would fix that attitude/chip on their shoulders.

9 Comments

HaIlMonitor1 votes

Why does she need the stun??!??! Her Q does what every other adc's escape does + has invisibility. But then why does an adc need someone else to protect them Kalista .....

Lost In Time1 votes

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Why does she need the stun??!??! Her Q does what every other adc's escape does + has invisibility. But then why does an adc need someone else to protect them Kalista .....

Because it's conditional?

Because she has no range of influence beyond 550?

Because she's squishy?

Like fuck, complain about why she has amazing attack speed scaling, but complaining about her stun?

Bronze tears.

HaIlMonitor1 votes

Give her 600 range and remove the CC then if her 55 is so bad.... btw lucian has 500 and doesn't have even conditional CC.

TigerMama Gemgem1 votes

As I said, I think her stun is fine lol. The attack speed scaling should be more like .65 or something.

LaowPing1 votes

Her midgame is lackluster and her early game is ass. She does no damage in lane unless you let her get 3 hits. And her attack speed is so low at that point that getting those three hits is difficult. Her invisibility last for 1 second and her true damage is part of her identity. In a Cinderhulk-tank meta she's useful due to the percentage health. It's part of what makes her late game. Not sure where this mage complaint comes from. Mages usually get stronger burst damage at mid game where they have 1 or 2 items or they have a constant stream of utility spells. Her range is also pretty short so when she's in range to attack you, you're in range to hit her.

Non fed Vaynes don't 5 shot anyone unless they're level 18 and nearly full build. Adcs get 4 shot at worst (speaking from experience on both sides of the match up). She's not going to get nerfed anytime soon. Just shut her down early (your jungler should gank bot anyway) and focus her in team fights... The same way you deal with any adc.

TigerMama Gemgem1 votes

I've been 6/7 shot as a tank by her when she's 2/6/2... With 350 AR+ and 3.5k hp. I don't think her true damage needs % hp. Flat would still be more than enough since it stacks with red.

LaowPing1 votes

As a Vayne player I've never 7 shotted a tank before, unless I'm beyond fed. I remember killing a volibear at late game with 8-10 and I was doing decent. Her range is short so that if she can get 6/7 shots on you then you have ample time to lock her down. If her true damage & hp is loss she wouldn't be viable anymore. Her entire kit is based on her late game ability to demolish one target at a time. She requires good CC or burst damage to be taken down like with any adc. You shouldn't be fighting her as a tank anyway without someone to back you up. She's a great duelist and a tank shredder. That's not her problem, it's her identity.

TigerMama Gemgem1 votes

The problem is that she doesn't just shred tanks. She shreds every single person in the game if they don't kill her fast enough. The problem isn't her dueling potential, it's how stupidly strong she is in the middle of fights because of all of her combined features not to mention the most reliable self-peel.

LaowPing1 votes

Every adc shreds people when they are left alone. That's by design. High damage champions are usually easy to kill, especially Vayne. Her only source of damage is to get in close and hit you since her AA range is rather lackluster. Her self peel isn't all that strong. It's a stun at best and a knockback at worst. The stun can be avoided with position or by attacking her with multiple people (again, she's a strong duelist). The knockback doesn't mean much since she still has to get in range where she can be hit before she can attack you again. Just jump on her using someone with burst or lockdown and she can't do anything.

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