How strong is Morgana really?

KillingAsians93·Sep 3, 2016·5 votes·4,224 views

I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts on my personal favorite, Morgana. I've been maining her since 2011 and truly love her play style. However, over the years I feel like she has become weaker and weaker. Some games I do very well with her, others I get completely destroyed and it's very frustrating to lose badly with my main.

So what's the deal: is Morgana going down hill in terms of tenacity, burst, ect.... or am I just off my game? For example I played singed a few days ago and used everything I had on him in perfect order and didn't even drop half his health. The real kicker is he had no magic resist! How is this possible? I remember back in the day people were getting pentas with morgana. Now you never see her bring the pain like she used to.

51 Comments

MissingKayoSep 3, 20163 votes

Her utility will pretty much always be decent.

Could not careSep 3, 20163 votes

Both mid and sup Morgs are pretty weak, about worst tier between traditional supports and mids. Mid Morgana is a mid to late game champ and generally can't kill an equal skilled player until 2 items, and while she can farm fairly safely, junglers with mobility can punish her very hard. Morg support is weak due to her Q being slow, fairly easy to kite and literally being land-or-die skill in many situations, in which even if you land it, it is not a gamechanger. Also, QSS etc makes you literally useless and Protobelt has reduced her usefulness even more.

League has become very mobile over the years, and seeing that Morg has subpar ult, nerfed to shit W and quite useless passive. makes her gameplay very feast-or-famine. If they can't dodge Q, you win. If they position properly, you're just boned.

I would say that at this moment, Zyra is Morg 2.0. Sure, she does not have spellshield, but autoaim plants with rylais counter a lot of mobility that 90% of champs currently have.

KillingAsians93Sep 3, 20161 votes

So what you are saying is give up on morgana and find a new main? That's sad to hear but I believe you are correct. What champ would you recommend me to use. I like AP and range champs because I feel safer hitting from a distance and I'm also very vigilant of other people on the map so I don't get ganked often.

Could not careSep 3, 20162 votes

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So what you are saying is give up on morgana and find a new main? That's sad to hear but I believe you are correct. What champ would you recommend me to use. I like AP and range champs because I feel safer hitting from a distance and I'm also very vigilant of other people on the map so I don't get ganked often.

For similar gameplay, I would strongly suggest Zyra. Two of her skills match Morgana's (the bind and the ult), while the (W) plants do a lot of damage comparing to Morg's W and Q is a safe damage skill/plant trigger. She works super well with Rylais too, and can kill people as soon as level 3.

If you want a really good midlane though, Taliyah offers about the same of not better zoning potential, a lot better roaming with mobility as well as high burst. She will likely be nerfed a bit over next few patches (cause one of the recent ones was a huge buff), but overall her very kit should keep her in a nice spot for a while.

KillingAsians93Sep 3, 20161 votes

Thanks for the info, I'll be sure to try out Zyra.

I hate my ADCSep 3, 20161 votes

For mid or support? For mid I'd say Lux, Viktor, Brand, etc. There are plenty of choices. You'll have to be more specific. For support, definitely Sona.

Handy Sandy Sep 3, 20162 votes

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So what you are saying is give up on morgana and find a new main? That's sad to hear but I believe you are correct. What champ would you recommend me to use. I like AP and range champs because I feel safer hitting from a distance and I'm also very vigilant of other people on the map so I don't get ganked often.

Morgana can still be used, she's a really good support for Vayne and if you take her mid you may be able to turn around ganks or escape them easier with your ult.

If you're really looking for an AP champion though, here are some champions I found I really like:

DPS: Karthus Cassiopeia Azir

Burst: Syndra Orianna

If you want a support, one of my favorite supports to have on the team is Nami, also Tahm Kench mains are extremely helpful because they know when to save you and all that. He also doubles as a tank. Don't go with someone like Sona, because you can't really get better or worse with her. You can still use Morgana though, I imagine that lategame just a Q and a W would kill anyone who isn't a tank, and in teamfights she can cc or split up a whole team with her ult + Zhonya's. And in laning, you can always freeze your lane so you aren't ganked, and then farm with tormented ground whenever the minions are overpowering you.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 3, 20161 votes

Don't give up on her. I mained Morgana awhile back and had a lot of success but when bad times rolled in I switched to other roles and practiced other champions. I went back to her every once and awhile, especially if I needed to counter a Blitz or something. She's still a very viable pick, so don't give her up just because one person thinks she's "weak."

PermabannedGarenSep 3, 20163 votes

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So what you are saying is give up on morgana and find a new main? That's sad to hear but I believe you are correct. What champ would you recommend me to use. I like AP and range champs because I feel safer hitting from a distance and I'm also very vigilant of other people on the map so I don't get ganked often.

Don't listen to that guy, he has no idea what he's talking about. That he thinks Zyra and Morgana are comparable is evidence of that.

Morgana is a viable support and usually a very solid mid laner.

He talks about her inability to really get kills as a problem, but it's balanced by her great utility and the fact that she is one of the single safest champions in the game. Her mid lane farming is very hard to punish, and she's very hard to force out of lane, much less kill.

KillingAsians93Sep 3, 20161 votes

Maybe I will start playing morgana mid, rather than support. Thanks for the info!

SnugglePuggle94Sep 5, 20161 votes

Definitely go for it! She does great against Yasuo and Ekko, and Veigar if you play it right. She's very safe so even if you get a long range abuser like Lux, you can stay alive and don't have to worry. Great pushing potential and damage.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 3, 20163 votes

I disagree. She's not weak. She's viable or fair, but not weak. "Generally can't kill an equal skilled player until 2 items." What?! Hell no, that is wrong. I've killed many a player at level 6 no items with Morgana mid lane. Learn your stuff bro. She's not that weak.

Her support isn't that weak. If she plays against a good skilled player who knows how to dodge her Q then yes she won't be having a good time. I've landed many a Q that was a game changer, and then some were not because the enemy brought more than one that jumped on us. It changes from time to time but not all Q's that are hit are useless.

I barely see anyone take QSS against Morg, or even at all in general. Or Protobelt for that matter. Those items are very rarely taken in the game so don't use them as your argument that she's weak.

I do agree though that Riot has pushed and nerfed her into the support role, therefore making some spells deal lackluster damage. I really hate them for that, but we just have to deal with it.

As far as Zyra, she's not that much of a 2.0 version. She has an awful health bar and is extremely squishy- something Morg isn't. Sure they both have to land a form of CC, but hers doesn't last as long, the kicker though is that Zyra can immobilize more than one person while Morg can't. And Morg's shield can save her or her teammate more times than not if Zyra misses a root or the enemy is just able to pounce on them.

Could not careSep 3, 20161 votes

I disagree. She's not weak. She's viable or fair, but not weak. "Generally can't kill an equal skilled player until 2 items." What?! Hell no, that is wrong. I've killed many a player at level 6 no items with Morgana mid lane. Learn your stuff bro. She's not that weak.

You missed the -equally skilled- part. Please educate me how do you kill a player as mid without him misplaying really hard. You must literally have him chip away his health by tanking minions/tower or at the least standing on Ws until Thunderlords procs. Her AA is so short that you can't AA trade with literally 80% of midlane champs if you can't land Q cause they trade with aas + skills that actually do damage.

There's also a load of summoners which prevent you from landing your combo with ult, namely summoner 6 summoner 7 summoner 21 summoner 1 . All of those fairly easily prevent your combos of ult->W->Q + AAs or Q>W>ult + AA.

If you assume that I have not killed opponents pre-6 ever, you're quite wrong. Morg does have a lot of bait potential and can outplay very hard under own turret. However, killing someone who has no gaplocser and is stupid enough to let me walk right next to them to land Q or R them and keep them in flash distance only means that the opponent misplayed very hard. Which is fine for that game - but certainly not a good teaching experience for times when you meet an actually skilled player.

Her support isn't that weak. If she plays against a good skilled player who knows how to dodge her Q then yes she won't be having a good time. I've landed many a Q that was a game changer, and then some were not because the enemy brought more than one that jumped on us. It changes from time to time but not all Q's that are hit are useless.

I've never, ever said that Qs are useless - if that were so, who would play this champ at all. I will say though that if Morgana hits the Q, it is nowhere near as impactful as most supports hitting their main ability. A lot of Morg Qs can't and shouldn't be followed up, while one Thresh/Blitz hook, Ali slam or even Zyras root generally has a much higher chance of killing your opponent.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 4, 20161 votes

With Morg, I try to hit a Q when I see an opening on them, plus using W on minion waves and getting thunderlord's procs. I just chip at their health every so often and if they jump on me, say an Ekko or Yasuo for instance, I just Q onto them, W+R+Thunderlord's+possible ignite and their dead. Pretty easy. I move around a lot and get AA's in too. If they are longer range like say Lux or Ahri, I stay out of their range and poke with W, then bait out their stun before trying to hit a Q. Sometimes those match ups its just too hard to get into the range to do a full combo but it's pretty much a stale mate as they can't kill me and I can't get to them.

I barely see any people take those summoner spells anymore mid lane. The occasional person who forgot to switch between games, yes, but not people who take it deliberately many times. Sure they can prevent some combos, so I just wait til my CD's are out then try again since the CDs of the summoner spells are way longer than mine.

Some people can misplay, sure. It can also just be the smarts of the Morgana player. Any long range mage that lets me get close to them is stupid, I agree and a bad play on their part.

I disagree. Morgana's landing a Q is very impactful, especially in a gank or teamfight or even a live or die situation. Yes her Q's should be followed up on offensively- if I see my jungler coming in and I hit a perfect Q on my mid lane enemy or bot laner, then I expect my ADC and jungler to follow up or else those are kills wasted and time lost. Many of her Q's result in kills or deaths saved. She has just as good impact as other supports.

Could not careSep 4, 20161 votes

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With Morg, I try to hit a Q when I see an opening on them, plus using W on minion waves and getting thunderlord's procs. I just chip at their health every so often and if they jump on me, say an Ekko or Yasuo for instance, I just Q onto them, W+R+Thunderlord's+possible ignite and their dead. Pretty easy. I move around a lot and get AA's in too. If they are longer range like say Lux or Ahri, I stay out of their range and poke with W, then bait out their stun before trying to hit a Q. Sometimes those match ups its just too hard to get into the range to do a full combo but it's pretty much a stale mate as they can't kill me and I can't get to them.

It may be an elo thing, I honestly can't say, but this sounds quite different from my experiences. When I use W to hit the enemy champ, the hardly ever stay for more than two ticks, so Thunderlords doesn't proc even with an AA. Chipping at their health becomes very slow then. Any good Yasuo will save the Windwall to deny your Q and you're literally having a slow projectile try and bypass and instant shield. If he does that, he dashes twice through you and Qs you once, making you lose any trade. That is, assuming, that your shield isn't down and he doesn't outright kill you.

The stalemate is fine but the problem is that Morg needs to shove in order to CS, which makes her a fairly good target to aggressive junglers with gapclosers. So being in a stalemate is generally not in your favour.

I barely see any people take those summoner spells anymore mid lane. The occasional person who forgot to switch between games, yes, but not people who take it deliberately many times. Sure they can prevent some combos, so I just wait til my CD's are out then try again since the CDs of the summoner spells are way longer than mine.

Once again, it may be an elo thing. I see them regularly, though Barrier is not that popular anymore, but others are fairly common.

While your CDs are shorter than summoner cds, it is not easy to get a good position to land the full combo. All the enemy needs is to sit behind minions whne he has no summs, and then any of your aggression is very easy to see and avoid.

Some people can misplay, sure. It can also just be the smarts of the Morgana player. Any long range mage that lets me get close to them is stupid, I agree and a bad play on their part.

I hope we can agree that it's not a good representation of a matchup when people misplay. no? Morg punishes bad play very easily - it's just that it becomes really hard to deal with good players when playing her.

I disagree. Morgana's landing a Q is very impactful, especially in a gank or teamfight or even a live or die situation. Yes her Q's should be followed up on offensively- if I see my jungler coming in and I hit a perfect Q on my mid lane enemy or bot laner, then I expect my ADC and jungler to follow up or else those are kills wasted and time lost. Many of her Q's result in kills or deaths saved. She has just as good impact as other supports.

Oh, any CC landed during a gank is very important. The problem is playing standard 2v2 lanes. Either it's a tanky support hugging front creeps and pressuring both you and the ADC, or its a damage dealer who has minion bypassing spells that harass you adc out. Either way, you're fairly useless if they position well. And if you miss the Q, someone's likely to die, and its probably not an enemy.

If they don't hug creeps and misposition, you will rock the lane. But in higher elos, that will be very rare.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 4, 20161 votes

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It may be an elo thing, I honestly can't say, but this sounds quite different from my experiences. When I use W to hit the enemy champ, the hardly ever stay for more than two ticks, so Thunderlords doesn't proc even with an AA. Chipping at their health becomes very slow then. Any good Yasuo will save the Windwall to deny your Q and you're literally having a slow projectile try and bypass and instant shield. If he does that, he dashes twice through you and Qs you once, making you lose any trade. That is, assuming, that your shield isn't down and he doesn't outright kill you.

Even if they don't stay for very long it's still zoning them off minions so I call that a win. Any good Morgana or basically any good midlaner will take down Yasuo's shield, then bait his wall before going in. That's what I always do. He doesn't get to dash through me because I don't let him.

The stalemate is fine but the problem is that Morg needs to shove in order to CS, which makes her a fairly good target to aggressive junglers with gapclosers. So being in a stalemate is generally not in your favour.

Yeah well if I ward properly and see when they come I back off. If I'm being camped or poked aggressively I farm behind the turret. I don't mind losing a little CS to make sure I stay alive.

Once again, it may be an elo thing. I see them regularly, though Barrier is not that popular anymore, but others are fairly common.

Might just be elo.

While your CDs are shorter than summoner cds, it is not easy to get a good position to land the full combo. All the enemy needs is to sit behind minions whne he has no summs, and then any of your aggression is very easy to see and avoid.

It's easy for me. I walk around the minions when I see an opportunity and try to get them to move toward turret- if they do, bam Q and combo and dead.

I hope we can agree that it's not a good representation of a matchup when people misplay. no? Morg punishes bad play very easily - it's just that it becomes really hard to deal with good players when playing her.

I agree, but there are times when the Morgana player just has better skill than the enemy, not because of a misplay.

Oh, any CC landed during a gank is very important. The problem is playing standard 2v2 lanes. Either it's a tanky support hugging front creeps and pressuring both you and the ADC, or its a damage dealer who has minion bypassing spells that harass you adc out. Either way, you're fairly useless if they position well. And if you miss the Q, someone's likely to die, and its probably not an enemy.

Yeah I know if you miss a Q it can mean death. Still doesn't mean she's a bad support.

If they don't hug creeps and misposition, you will rock the lane. But in higher elos, that will be very rare.

Could not careSep 3, 20161 votes

As far as Zyra, she's not that much of a 2.0 version. She has an awful health bar and is extremely squishy- something Morg isn't. Sure they both have to land a form of CC, but hers doesn't last as long, the kicker though is that Zyra can immobilize more than one person while Morg can't. And Morg's shield can save her or her teammate more times than not if Zyra misses a root or the enemy is just able to pounce on them.

Zyra starts with 499 hp until 1757 and gains about 53 hp per level. Morgana starts at 547 and up to 2009, earning like 65ish HP per level. The difference is 50-250 HP so yeah, Morg is ~~slightly~~ tankier. The problem is, she has to play close range to follow up a Q with AAs while Zyra doesn't. Also, while Morg Q is faster than Zyra E, anyone with good positioning sits behind minions and forces you to walk up to actually try hitting a skill. Zyra Es biggest advantage is - it goes through anything and she does not have to go into melee do deal her damage. So, while she has less HP, she can play much safer than Morg to be effective.

You're literally saying that Sion is better than Quinn because he has more health - or any melee vs ranged matchup. it-s wrong - the very playstyle is different, and having more health does not mean that you can play safe enough to get benefits from it.

I will repeat myself - if your opponent allows you to land Qs on him, Morg is better simply due to the Q duration. However, any good opponent will just hug minions and trade with AAs/safe spells, and that is what Zyra doesn't allow. Morg hits Qs - it's feast, she can't - it's famine. While Zyra provides much more consistent CC and damage as well as zoning and denying CS.

And Morg's shield can save her or her teammate more times than not if Zyra misses a root or the enemy is just able to pounce on them.

That's really poor theorycrafting and in no way that applies in the game. It actually applies more to Morg cause if she misses Q, she is oftenin a bad spot if the enemy can threaten both her and the adc. It doesn't apply to Zyra, cause if the enemy walks up, he eats a metric ton of damage from Zyra's plants (which you should be dropping after E). Only in teamfights, when everyone is tanky enough to more or less not kill themselves from walking into plants, you generally should have Rylais and ult to punish those who don't respect the plant zoning.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 4, 20161 votes

Sure, Morgana is slighty tankier, but along with her longer root duration+shield+higher MS gives her a higher chance of surviving. Sure some are good at positioning, but I can just readjust to what they are trying to do and find openings. It's not that hard for me, I have a level 6 mastery on her.

Now yes Zyra has longer range, but slower movement speed, plus her root only lasts like what .75 seconds, but can root more than one person. If she misses it or falls into a bait or is pounced on quickly, trying to get plants up in time before she dies is pretty hard to do, and even then if she does, it most likely won't result in a kill trade. Sure she's effective, but not that much better than Morgana.

Slight differences in health can be a game changer- it's not wrong in my opinion. There are many times that I've seen when I play Zyra and Morg- when I get jumped on, Zyra gets deleted much more quickly than Morg, and that's not good.

Again Zyra's CC isn't that consistent due to reasons I've already stated. She has her own ways of doing things and so does Morg. But saying shes better really isn't true in my opinion.

That's not poor theorycrafting at all- it's the truth. Morg's shield has saved me many times over in fights, ganks, teamfights, or dives where a Zyra would've been deleted in seconds. And yes it does apply to Zyra- if she misses a root, the enemy has free reign to pounce on her and the ADC- the only thing she has left is her ult knock up and possibly Rylai's from plants. Also, like I said above, when you have the enemy team barreling down your neck, it's hard to think- Oh I need to spam my seeds and E- not to mention it usually won't help her get a kill trade.

Could not careSep 4, 20161 votes

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I'm not replying to any of this because almost all of this is wrong. Ill just requote some parts that I found to be... interesting?

It's not that hard for me, I have a level 6 mastery on her.

trying to get plants up in time before she dies is pretty hard to do

And yes it does apply to Zyra- if she misses a root, the enemy has free reign to pounce on her and the ADC-

when ..., it's hard to think.. to spam my seeds and E

Again Zyra's CC isn't that consistent due to reasons I've already stated.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 4, 20161 votes

Think what you want but it's not wrong.

moonbornSep 3, 20163 votes

very viable, even as a midlaner. very easy to farm with in a lane, very good CC. Her AP ratio's are incredible as well. the only issue is that her damage spells are unreliable with so many mobile champions.

Handy Sandy Sep 3, 20162 votes

She's a support not really that much of a mage anymore. She's still a viable pick for midlane though. Pretty good DPS if you have liandry's on her...Seems like she would be good at kiting. Also great waveclear.

KillingAsians93Sep 3, 20162 votes

I starting to realize that. Unfortunately people get pissed off when you hit minions with morgana because she is a "support". They don't realize that she needs cc to actually do something productive. Sure I can land a Q about 70% of the time, but that root doesnt matter if they rage when you drop a W and wipe out a lane of creeps.

Morgana needs to be redone in my opinion. I just think she needs a bit more power from her passive and a little more sustain. I mean come on.... her support skills are marginal at best.

I hate my ADCSep 3, 20162 votes

Marginal? Black Shield is one of the most powerful support ability in the game. Her root synergize extremely well with many ADCs like Caitlyn and Jhin.

If anything, her mage kit is marginal.

KillingAsians93Sep 3, 20161 votes

I worded that poorly lol, I've been drinking:P What I mean is that I feel she has become sub-par in the role that she is meant to play, which is support. Her shield is amazing but a good hit will drop that shield instantly.

I hate my ADCSep 3, 20161 votes

Like I said in my other comment to your main post, she's good against X, bad against Y. She's a champion used for counter picking, not really great as a main champion.

I hate my ADCSep 3, 20162 votes

She's decent. Good against X, bad against Y.

She's a champion you use as a way to counter pick the enemy team, not a safe pick.

KillingAsians93Sep 3, 20162 votes

Wow, I've gotten way more response than I thought I would lol! Thanks for your time everyone.... you have given me a lot to think about and work on.

JedditeIsARAMSep 3, 20161 votes

She can probably bench 120 and squat 150.

KillingAsians93Sep 3, 20161 votes

Sounds like you are talking about yourself?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 3, 20161 votes

Morgana is one of my mains at support. i have good success with her. i can pick her into most match ups. i can play her in a wide range of set ups from runes and masteries and items.

i have played her as an ap mage support. a off tank support and a poke support. depending on what my team needed or lacked. of the last month or longer i have been using a build on her that i find very effective

item 2045 item 3092 item 3174 item 3116 item 3157 and whatever boots needed item 3020 item 3047 item 3111

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 3, 20161 votes

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is one of my mains at support. i have good success with her. i can pick her into most match ups. i can play her in a wide range of set ups from runes and masteries and items.

i have played her as an ap mage support. a off tank support and a poke support. depending on what my team needed or lacked. of the last month or longer i have been using a build on her that i find very effective

and whatever boots needed

and with item 3116 and you w under them its really hard for them to dodge your Q when they are slowed and the slow applies on your ult as well making it harder for them to get away. let alone the tank stats you get from the items, hp, armor, mr, and you can turn your E into a heal when you get item 3174

Could not careSep 3, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hIbbLYE9,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-03T13:32:35.364+0000)

is one of my mains at support. i have good success with her. i can pick her into most match ups. i can play her in a wide range of set ups from runes and masteries and items.

i have played her as an ap mage support. a off tank support and a poke support. depending on what my team needed or lacked. of the last month or longer i have been using a build on her that i find very effective

and whatever boots needed

What is item 3174 doing over here... by the time you have extra 2250, you don't need MP regen, and it's not worth to pay for only 40 AP/25 MR and 20% cd doesn't do any good cause teamfights will generally let you use 1 Q or 2 at very most while your spellshield has such long cd that 20% on it doesn't matter. Paying for the passive? Still doesn't sound right as you only get to use it once in a TF and it doesn't do that much to anyone but the person you shielded.

I like the other items and I build them too (zhonyas more situationally, but it's still good), but Athene's is just plain wrong. Build a locket/zzrot if you have that cash, or Mikaels if you're a team player and they have a major CC to land.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 3, 20161 votes

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What is doing over here... by the time you have extra 2250, you don't need MP regen, and it's not worth to pay for only 40 AP/25 MR and 20% cd doesn't do any good cause teamfights will generally let you use 1 Q or 2 at very most while your spellshield has such long cd that 20% on it doesn't matter. Paying for the passive? Still doesn't sound right as you only get to use it once in a TF and it doesn't do that much to anyone but the person you shielded.

I like the other items and I build them too (zhonyas more situationally, but it's still good), but Athene's is just plain wrong. Build a locket/zzrot if you have that cash, or Mikaels if you're a team player and they have a major CC to land.

I build it because it turns your shield into a heal

Could not careSep 3, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hIbbLYE9,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-09-03T15:57:37.396+0000)

I build it because it turns your shield into a heal

Do consider item 3190 if you want the extra sustain. Not only it gives you way more useful stats, but the shield is applied too all members on the team and does not require you to use your best skill on a low hp champion as chances are, he will get popped anyway and will have no use for the CC negation.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 3, 20161 votes

well that is where build paths/play style ect differs from person to person , if im vs a heavy ap comp then ill get locket or whatever i need but in a general comp that is my build. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=MrFawknSunshine%20

you can see my games as morg support and see that im not just being stupid.

Could not careSep 3, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hIbbLYE9,comment-id=0000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-03T17:11:13.068+0000)

well that is where build paths/play style ect differs from person to person , if im vs a heavy ap comp then ill get locket or whatever i need but in a general comp that is my build. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=MrFawknSunshine%20

you can see my games as morg support and see that im not just being stupid.

I have written a long post comparing the stats of both items but the fking forum ate it. That sucks. I put some effort into it too :(

The main thing I wanted to say is that locket is not ONLY mr and its biggest advantage is the shield for the team that beats Athenes heal by a mile (more than 5 times for 5 teammates). Check the stats, Athenes heals for 50-250 while Locket gives 90-350 shield PER PERSON (so 450 -1750 for the team).

Other stats aside from MP regen (which you really don't need lategame), 40 AP (very negligible amount overall and enemies would probably have some MR to make it useless) and 10% CDR, are the same as Athene's, aside from +400 HP and Locket's aura which trades +5 MR that you would have on yourself for 15-60 Mr on teammates.

Finally, if you were stupid, I wouldn't waste time arguing with you. It is exactly because you are only slightly wrong that I'm doing this. You feel I'm not trustworthy? Check http://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Morgana - those are the best players of LoL, and yet no one builds Athene's because locket is simply superior. If you see a Chalice anywhere, it's 100% being built into Mikaels.

I hope you can see my point now and I hope that will help you. If you still think Athene's is a choice and not an inferior item for a support Morg (Athene's is fully meant for MP hungry midlaners tbh), I won't try to persuade you anymore. I don't get anything from this, and I will just assume you want to stay where you are instead of taking a friendly tip on how to improve.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 3, 20161 votes

but item 3174 on mana hungry mid laners cant use the heal passive on it for themselves. so that passive is completely useless on a Ziggs for example. if i needed mana regen on any ap champ there are 3 items i would look to for that being item 3027 item 3040 item 3165 . and i never disagreed that locket is a bad item and i never said i wouldnt build it just so i can build item 3174 but everything is situational. not every game calls for a item 3222 or item 3190 . i just stated that when i have used as Morgana i have had success with it. in the team fight scenario you bring up that it wouldnt be helpful all depends on when and how you use it. typically ill use it on my ally that is engaging/ to provided the shield from burst and cc and give them a boost of hp , i dont use it before the go in just after they start to take a bit of damage allowing them to tank and soak a bit more damage and bait out the hard cc from the enemy. after that i can follow in, and use my ult w q combo to completely lock down a target. but using E with item 3174 with windspeaker blessing mastery it actually provides a nice lil buff to any one.

but i have also gone with out it as morgana and have gone the route of getting item 3060 or item 3190 and stack it item 3512 item 3157 item 2045 item 3092 depending on the game and match ups. im not a one build every game type of player.

however i dont disagree with you and never discredit your point on it. and i dont know if i should feel flattered or insulted that you state " Finally, if you were stupid, I wouldn't waste time arguing with you. It is exactly because you are only slightly wrong that I'm doing this. "

but hey it could be worst i could be arguing that on Soraka item 3089 is a core item and its needed for its ap.

Could not careSep 4, 20161 votes

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but on mana hungry mid laners cant use the heal passive on it for themselves. so that passive is completely useless on a for example. if i needed mana regen on any ap champ there are 3 items i would look to for that being

Karma, Ori, Lulu can build this, and some more champs if i remember well. The problem is, the item sucks a$$ comparing it to the ones you listed... or, in fact, tear and morellos alone make it almost pointless. That is more of a balancing issue, and I don't feel like going deeper into it.

I just stated that when i have used as i have had success with it.

That is totally fine, and what I'm saying is you could have had better successes with locket. The items are very similar stat wise, aside from humongous shield + mr aura on one and lots of MP regeneration/heal on another.

in the team fight scenario you bring up that it wouldnt be helpful all depends on when and how you use it. typically ill use it on my ally that is engaging/ to provided the shield from burst and cc and give them a boost of hp

This restricts you quite a bit and, once again, leaves other teammates without any gains. You shield, lets say, Amumu who engages and your Jinx is open to be bashed by enemy Renekton. Your locket would shield botg the Amumu and Jinx and you'd be free to use E on whichever you feel is more important to help. The shield is stronger too, the only problem is the timing but that is fairly easy to learn.

with windspeaker blessing mastery it actually provides a nice lil buff to any one

All the more reason to use the locket as your already strong shield stacks with locket (making CC invulnerability ignore even weaker AP CCs) AND locket applies Windspeakers to EVERYONE - and you keep the CC shield to use on anything you want.

Im not a one build every game type of player.

While it's true that differentiating builds is important to counter the enemy team, some items are just superior to others and therefore need to be built more often. Locket is better that Athenes in almost every aspect aside from MP regen. This is a simple maths issue, comparing A, B, C, D of one item to A, B, E, F of another to see which is more efficient. I claim locket is, in all ways that are importantaside from the little CDR difference that is negligible due to the gameplay.

i dont know if i should feel flattered or insulted that you state...

Neither. Someone saying that I'm wrong is not an insult to me, nor someone not pointing out my mistake is a praise to me. I only said it because you wanted to provide proof that you're not stupid by posting your match history / profile - and it was pointless because I never doubted your intelligence in the first place.

Well... to be honest, your text speech (Im, i, dont) does look a bit unsightly, but that is just aesthetics. As long as I understand it, it's totally fine.

but hey it could be worst i could be arguing that on is a core item and its needed for its ap.

I wouldn't waste my time arguing about such stuff at all. Life is too short.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 4, 20161 votes

i do appreciate the educated and thoughtful responses that is mature and not slamming me in any way. i know my grammar is bad but its a forum for a video game and i dont care to be professional or worry to hard about it. i use alot of free hand so to say like a text message regarding post on here.

like you stated grammar doesnt show a lack of intelligence. i get for someone it can be a pet peeve. however , you at least saw the context and content of my statements and based whether or not i was a dead brain monkey or not on that.

truth be told i have an issue with spelling and grammar due to being dyslexic. even with having to battle dyslexia i graduated highschool with a 3.5 gpa and college with a 3.8 gpa. my career is highly technical and requires alot of problem solving and critical thinking and analyst of data.

as far as the remark regarding soraka and death cap i was in a lengthy debate with a player who swore by death cap is needed on her.

now as far as the active shield from item 3190 and the mastery of windspeaker blessing?

when you use the active does the mastery actually boost it? making the shield stronger?

Could not careSep 4, 20161 votes

i do appreciate the educated and thoughtful responses that is mature and not slamming me in any way. i know my grammar is bad but its a forum for a video game and i dont care to be professional or worry to hard about it. i use alot of free hand so to say like a text message regarding post on here.

It's not grammar, really. Your grammar is fine, and with your history, it could probably called really good (I really don't know much about dyslexia though). It's just the subconscious use to use capital letters and apostrophes etc, which is a bit troublesome to use on a phone - so people get used to not using them everywhere. It's not a big deal at all.

however , you at least saw the context and content of my statements and based whether or not i was a dead brain monkey or not on that.

I'd be a brain dead monkey if I didn't see the content and I'd be really petty to ignore good content due to any form. And, again, the form is fine in this case.

truth be told i have an issue with spelling and grammar due to being dyslexic. even with having to battle dyslexia i graduated highschool with a 3.5 gpa and college with a 3.8 gpa. my career is highly technical and requires alot of problem solving and critical thinking and analyst of data.

You shouldn't look down on yourself as your grammar is good. As I said, using textspeech is a habit that sticks to you when you use your phone a lot to send messages. It's not a good habit, but it isn't anything bad either.

as far as the remark regarding soraka and death cap i was in a lengthy debate with a player who swore by death cap is needed on her.

Uhhh.. can't say anything about that. I wouldn't do it, that's for sure.

when you use the active does the mastery actually boost it? making the shield stronger?

Yes and yes. The active applies ALL advantages of Windspeaker's to the people that get shielded, and that includes the 10% shield bonus as well as armor/mr bonuses.

james121234Sep 3, 20161 votes

depends if you are still low elo /low diamond while only playing morg you probably have no clue what you are doing to be honest. Esp with how long you have been playing if thats the case what you think on how to play morg is prob wrong along with how to play the game.

AptestSep 3, 20161 votes

my experience tells me that opposing morgana players fall off in the mid game. my experience tells me that this is not a champion issue, but rather a player issue.

k wìxSep 3, 20161 votes

She's terrifying.

Most of her power comes from her shield, which allows a good player to ignore most CC effects in the game. No one else can do this, period. It makes her unique and powerful.

Her other abilities are good, and she can contribute, same thing with her ult - its solid and works, but her real power is that shield.

I'd love for them to tweak/nerf her shield so they could inject more power into the rest of her kit.

Jinzo TorranceSep 3, 20161 votes

Her 3 seconds snare is sometimes stronger than a Blitz pull IMO

Friendly RamSep 3, 20161 votes

She's more of a tank mage like swain now then really bursty. Sure a q ult can murder most squishy targets but she's more a constant nuisance. My normal buil for morg is roa sorcs zhonyas abyssals liandries and either morello or athenes depending on what we need.

Arcus DiabolusSep 3, 20161 votes

Morg mid is the best. Most games I'm virtually unkillable.

Just kind wish her early farming ability went up a bit.

SirsirSep 3, 20161 votes

ITS A SINGED! Did you have Liandrys? No? Then you do no damage to singed. Even if you do you don't do a lot.

Also how has anyone ever gotten multiple pentas with morg? Her kit is really bad for pentas.

Morg is really good, and will always be really good. Her Q is slow but fat, and roots for years. Her spell shield is HUGE. Her ult has been suffering hard from the mobility creep but you're guaranteed to land it on one guy when you snare them.

TBH I feel like she could use a small rework, mostly aimed at solo lane morg, which is SO frustrating. Give her a new W so you can nerf her Q and keep her kit intact but less braindead.

Swiftstrike4Sep 3, 20161 votes

Morgana is a pretty versatile champion both as a support and a mid laner. She can play both roles really well and if you can land you skill shots she can make a lot of good plays.

I am in Gold I, but I am not a midlaner. I am a top laner main and support secondary. If I have to play mid in a ranked game I either pick Morgana or . I have a smurf account in low Gold and I will play mid more often on that account. When I get mid I typically play Morgana on that account, max pool, and press the tower. Most midlaners then have to stay in lane or I take the tower.

I am ungankable because of my black shield so I can overextend. It is amazing because people attempt to gank me all the time and fail a lot (I max black shield after pool). I take summoner 12 too, to keep returning to lane quicker and pressuring the tower.

I am pretty sure the strategy annoys the mid lane mains a lot and I have won games just simply by putting A LOT of pressure mid.

The problem is that against really good players that main mid (lower plat) this is not as effective. I actually stopped playing Morgana support simply because I am not good at landing bindings against upper elo players. I now play Sona or Leona when I support in ranked.

Morgana has some really good damage, but her damage does drop off the longer the game goes on and is dependent on her skill shots and her black shield to carry her team to victory.

I don't know what your rank is, but she is completely viable mid if you are good at landing your skillshot.

She is simple, safe, and has some burst. She cannot carry as easily, but is very reliable.

Everyone who tells you she is only viable as a support do not play a lot of mid Morgana that are good and she is a pretty low pick rate compared to other midlaners. You can play her (and win) pretty easily up until upper Gold.