Is it just me or Pantheon did not change at all

King of Laris··3 votes·1,531 views

He is just a strong early mid champ that os irrelevant in late game. Ok the whole rework was good but look at irelia or akali rework, these champs became broken, but pantheon will be forgotten in 2 weeks

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Ragnaveil4 votes

No, he got worse in the damage department.

OwlbanArmban1 votes

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No, he got worse in the damage department.

And to make up for that he's not useless at 25 minutes.

Soul Dealer4 votes

He changed and is almost perfect tbh. He is not as oppressive as he once was. They only think that is wrong with him is he still has a point and click stun that is also a leap.

Fear the Kayn3 votes

I just don't see a reason to play him over Aatrox tbh. Aatrox has a better early game, scales way better into late, and can carry harder. Pantheon scaling needs to be increased across the board

Pika Fox1 votes

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I just don't see a reason to play him over Aatrox tbh. Aatrox has a better early game, scales way better into late, and can carry harder. Pantheon scaling needs to be increased across the board

You pick pantheon to threaten other lanes with global roams to easily snowball your advantage elsewhere.

Nocturne was also recently buffed, so im looking forward to noc jungle panth top tf mid memes.

Fear the Kayn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hAnmWEGI,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-15T17:32:34.173+0000)

You pick pantheon to threaten other lanes with global roams to easily snowball your advantage elsewhere.

Nocturne was also recently buffed, so im looking forward to noc jungle panth top tf mid memes.

He could do that before, but now Pantheon just has an objectively worse kit to go with it.

Pika Fox2 votes

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He could do that before, but now Pantheon just has an objectively worse kit to go with it.

? His kit in general gives him more options than before and more direct control, while also not hard stomping the enemy because he exists. Its better for both pantheon and the opponent.

Divin1ty1 votes

Aatrox falls off late, so no, you don't pick him to 'scale into late'.

Fear the Kayn4 votes

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Aatrox falls off late, so no, you don't pick him to 'scale into late'.

Aatrox's teamfight is far better than Pantheon's, and a well-snowballed Aatrox can kill a squishy much faster than new pantheon ever could dream of.

Divin1ty1 votes

That isn't my point.

Sirsir1 votes

Your point is irrelevant to the conversation, which is comparing Aatrox and Pantheon.

Aaxtrox doesn't have a great late game, but it's better than Panths.

Aatrox is better than panth across the board, because he's harder to play.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Sort of falls off late. He still has a late. Panth doesn't.

BlackKnightJack1 votes

Not really. He has more tools now like the E shield even if it really does feel like a glorified Zhonya's most of the time.

Ćold As Ice1 votes

He is just worse

preternatural1 votes

he'll be forgotten at lower ranks because folks just outright can't play him lol. need to know how to stack his passive and use his E and R correctly which just won't happen in most mmr's.

nm10101 votes

He became a much better duelist, is still pretty good at bullying lanes, and got waveclear meaning he can mid lane pretty successfully (also hard counters Yasuo, which is always a big plus). Hard to get a exact idea on balance in a day, but I personally think he has a lot of potential. Nothing screams "broken" but he has a lot more options as a champion now.

KnKitsune1 votes

I just had a 1/4/5 Top lane Panth with less than a hundred CS and a black cleaver and a corrupting potion solo baron. No recalls and when we found him just seconds after killing the thing, he was already at full hp.

Sirsir1 votes

I mean did you WANT another Irelia?

Honestly I'm not sure much has changed with this rework in the grand scheme of things. He used to be a braindead easy laner that turned into a beefy stunbot the longer the game went. Now he takes a bit more effort but gained a lot of range on his Q and is still pretty oppressive, and of course his new block which helps his late a bit compared to old panth. but still he just transitions into a beefy stunbot.

GayrensTari1 votes

He is a sexist

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