Does Lucian deserve a nerf?

Sand Ähläm··4 votes·3,894 views

Lucian is one of the champions that have caught my attention. Most of the time I see him he is either leading the bot lane, or absolutely dominating it. This includes the games I have played with Lucian and against Lucian.

Why I think he needs a bit of tuning is because of his terryfying burst like damage that will become a threat as soon as he hits LvL 2. He will dash towards you and before you realize it, you are in danger of dying. The way he procs PTA comboed with the damage he already has makes his trades a bit too strong. Of course, it is still a duo lane and he always can't just dash in, but not every support has the capabilities of stopping him (Some CC can't go through minioins such as most of the hooks/grabs/pulls and some snares). If things go that way it may even be the support getting chunked. When he hits LvL 6 in lane, it is time to pray for a gank.

And it isn't just the early game, it stays like this until the game is over. After Lucian gets his BORK he starts to be a really hard duel for most of the ADC's (and champions over all). His dashes and damage (Including the BORK active) is terryfying. After Lucian gets his Black Cleaver, even tanks start to sweat bullets. Of course focusing him always works well, but in team fights he will always be behind a wall of other teammates, including the support who will most likely focus on peeling him. If he is alone, you will most definitely need a teammate or two to take him down. The more items he gets, the more impossible killing him seems. Unless you have Veigar. Veigar doesn't give a rat's ass about what any ADC thinks.

How to nerf him then? What I do not wish is a complete gutting. What I want is a small reduction in his burst, by either nerfing the AD scaling on his Q (Which is 60 / 75 / 90 / 105 / 120% depending on level), or his passive by a SMALL AMOUNT. What I do not want is a PTA nerf. Even though it works well on Lucian, it does not deserve a nerf. The problem is how well Lucian's burst in his kit works, as he is one of the few ADC's capable of producing such bursts in a second. ADC's Such as: Ashe Caitlyn Ezreal Jinx Jhin KogMawTristana have no chances of dealing the same amount back in that time, making the trade always favour Lucian (also, having a cutlass gives him a nice amount of life steal, and the active gives him more burst! Yay)

But as this is a discussion, I'd like to hear other opinions about this.

13 Comments

Tacosrock4 votes

Yes, end of discussion.

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

What sort of nerf would you like to see?

The thigh guy2 votes

Lucien is Strong for 2 reasons. He doesn’t rely on crit for his burst, and he turns onhit damage into burst with his passive.

Tbh if they made his passive a flat damage cut that didn’t fully apply onhit effects, it would be perfectly balanced.

Lord Malpercio2 votes

It's not his primary kit that makes him so powerful. He'd be a generic 'aggressive' laner then.

Rather, it's the absurd scaling on his ultimate. It can literally deal 1K damage at L6, and that's bonkers. IMO: They should return his ult back to needing attack speed to scale, rather than the current iteration that allows him to build beefy bruiser.

... I will continue to abuse it shamelessly though.

On another end, I do think him being able to build uniquely is nice in a way - Not a mandatory crit machine, you know?

Sand Ähläm1 votes

I don't think the build is the problem. In my opinioin, feel free to build anything on anyone (But please, keep your AP Twitch tops away from my ranked games (You know who you are you sonuvabitch)). I also like that he doesn't have to be the generic crit machine.

We'll just have to see and wait if Riot has anything to do with him.

Lord Malpercio1 votes

Oh yeah, it's not the build or items that are the problem. As I said, it's his ult. You can easily kill a champ bot lane with it alone if you're good with it.

hrooza dota 1 votes

so apc twitch bot got it

astralwit1 votes

He may not need a nerf after 9.3. The crit. changes give other ADCs more power early.

Sand Ähläm1 votes

That's true. If it works, all fine by me.

Sir Saltarin1 votes

Worth to mention:

Not nerfing Luci and Ez will make it easier for the Rioters to analyze how much the crit items changes affect to crit adcs.

If they nerfed them and also buffed crit in the same patch they wouldn't be sure to which exactly causes the meta changes.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Yeah thats the solution. Lategame carries should just be as strong early as lanebullies. Smart. Could come from riot videogames.

Raiko Horikawa1 votes

Not even gonna read through that and I will say:

Gut him like a fish. Same with Vayne pls.

Ilovemobas1 votes

Draven destroys Lucian.

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