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The Nautilus Problem

KiwiFlavor Ziggs··3 votes·1,458 views

Recently saw the Nautilus nerf today and have to be real, especially as he is one of my most played and favorite champions: I think you missed the mark here. Firstly, I don't believe damage is Nautilus' problem - he does a lot of damage quickly because all his abilities have damage numbers, but also long cooldowns. Secondly, he is a victim of the meta not strong by himself. He wasn't often taken as support before the hook meta but is because of it. Thirdly, I always get sad when a champion that has pushed to support gets nerfed because they truly have nowhere else to go.

  1. Support Nautilus doesn't rely on damage. I know support Nautilus is doing well, and a nerf may be justified. I don't think nerfing damage works though because it begins to eliminate any possibility of seeing players branch out to mid, top, or jungle Nautilus - which I miss dearly. I think to affect his support numbers more, you should begin by nerfing the Q width and damage (Not length, just width as even I can admit its incredibly easy to land due to deceptive width) or nerfing one of his CC's (duration of root passive, q knock up, e slow, or r knock up would suffice).

  2. When the above happens, hopefully something else is given in return. I'd be interested in any of the following: W stealing MR from the opponent on auto attacks (Nautilus was an avid user of Wit's End before the rework to it, and benefits greatly from the steal-effect), E dealing % max health damage to help his laning and jungling, or (more of a fun one) causing Nautilus to take a chunk of wall with his anchor if hitting terrain with Q, buffing his next Q/Auto greatly.

  3. Why care? As stated above, Nautilus has nowhere else to go now. I've seen Doinb play Naut mid, but even in the hands of possibility the best mid laner, Nautilus loses lane and at this time only has a 50% win rate on him - and really was only taken alongside a hook support for synergy. Nautilus used to have decent success in top lane and could even be a jungler but has since lost all presence everywhere else aside from support. I'm afraid for this damage nerf because, as stated above I don't think it will affect his support win rate at all. In fact, the nerf itself is tame and barely noticeable, but I know how this goes - he will be nerfed again more aggressively when his win rate doesn't budge but this ultimate damage nerf won't be reverted - and he'll cease to be a good support, and with the damage nerfs also be unable to play anywhere else - especially since none of the S10 changes look to be helpful to him at this time.

TLDR; Nautilus Revert this damage nerf on his ult, nerf some type of his overbearing utility not his damage(1), and then buff his damage in a doesn't-affect-bot-lane kind of way(2).

Any thoughts from you all on this? I love Nautilus as a champion and hopefully the changes to him, that I can admit may be due for him - be more creative and balanced in the future. Also, he hasn't a skin in a while - and lacks a Epic+ level skin, what would you all think about a skin in 2020 for the big guy? (Prestige would be awesome imho)

10 Comments

MrFawknSunshine5 votes

naut is strong cuz of his cc and his tankyness so nerfing damage if fine. dont nerf what makes him a tank.

KiwiFlavor Ziggs2 votes

Believe me, I never advocate for his tankiness being nerfed. His CC chain is though why is he so strong in support, locking up enemies for longer than Leona can at a much longer range.

That being said, that main reason his damage nerf is bad is because, like I said, likely in a patch or two mark my words he's going to be hit by a massive nerf that WILL hit his CC, and he won't have either CC or damage. In fact, you can see this right as we speak since Sejuani just got a whole list of buffs because she was dumpster so hard before worlds. This is what I DONT want to happen to Nautilus but will likely happen to him at the start of Season 10.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

i view leona/naut nearly as 1 in the same.

as a support main i play both, but so far this season i have a much higher win rate on leona.

37% win rate on naut, 56% win rate on leona.

30 games vs 32

thats a difference of 8 wins

i really do think his cc will stay the same cuz unlike leona he has lack of ms, leona is decently quick for a tank/engage naut is by far one of the slowest if not the slowest champs in the game, and when he goes in he goes DEEP with Q and ULT , and if he gets caught while doing that he is a sitting duck with out being able to get out.

where i think sej's biggest issue is her mobility not her cc and not her damage, the fact she can scale terrain is what made her sooo strong while having her cc.

mobility is a big thing in meta an its going to be more so moving forward.

i would be even for a hit to some of his cc/tankyness if he had better ms

ChaosReyn2 votes

But...you literally just did advocate for his tankiness being nerfed.

Part of the tank role in this game is also the amount of control they can bring to prevent the enemy from focusing others. Nerfing his cc means taking away from his battlefield control. Nerfing his damage is taking away his ability to both control and crush whoever he's controlling without his team. Which is fair: he shouldn't be doing both.

KiwiFlavor Ziggs1 votes

Could you elaborate? The only nerfs in my OP are for Q nerfs and possibly his passive root nerf, neither of these affect tanky stats. Nerfing say, Syndra's E stun duration would not be synonymous with "nerfing her tankiness"

Dreamhare1 votes

And yet, they nerfed the wrong damage output source (his Ultimate) that keeps Nautilus locked into botlane as one of the most OP Supports right now. His numbers should be revised so he could go back to Jungle and/or Top while still being a not-so-op-but-viable Support.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

his issues as a jungler is lack of movement speed and clear. he legit cant clear and get to his other side of map or lanes to counter gank before all other junglers cuz of how slow he is.

top lane he can still do ok in right match ups

KiwiFlavor Ziggs1 votes

I'm curious to learn what match ups you believe he does well in on top. I might give him some match ups in mid, but none of the meta top laners would ever lose to a Nautilus to any situation these days, and nearly all of them would also scale insanely better to beat him in both early and late game.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

well he is a tank in top lane he isnt going to win by killing the enemy but he is hard to kill in a 1 vs 1. he can stall a lane.

ive played him into garen ( after garen rework ) and garen couldnt push me out of lane.

his shield negates alot of damage

Jesi Oni1 votes

Prestige skins suck... I dont understand why someone would want a yellow colored chroma. Only Aatrox looks better than original out of all prestiges released to this date (thats achievement to make so many trash skins if you ask me).

I agree with one thing... He could use a high quality skin.

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