Why aren't Galio and Shen classified support?

KiwiFlavor Ziggs·Oct 1, 2019·2 votes·1,243 views

They both have ultimates that cannot even be used without an ally. That inherently causes them to rely on at least one teammate to make use of their kit. No matter where they are played, I think they should be classified Support on the info page and under the collection menu, primarily so new players know that are at least in part a support class character and should expect it upon purchase.

EDIT: I think people are missing the point here? Under the new collection tab, it sorts by Role. This role is not synonymous with the lane where the champion is played. There, the Support role is composed of many champions with abilities that can heal, shield, augment, or otherwise affect one or more allies. There are champions there that are not played in the support role - like Orianna. Orianna has this "Role" in addition to mage because she can place her ball on allies and use abilities from their location. Shen and Galio both have game altering spells that can only be used on ally champions, so a large part of their kit is tied to "Support"

8 Comments

KeiagaOct 1, 20197 votes

Well all tanks that build defensively need a team since they lack the damage to do anything themselves

KiwiFlavor ZiggsOct 2, 20191 votes

I don't mean playing well with a team I mostly mean their role classification since many champions in the support section of the new collection screen are champions that either must or have the ability to use abilities on allies for full effect.

KeiagaOct 2, 20191 votes

Kalista can only use her ult with a teammate, and she shouldn't be a support.

Yasuo A major part of this champ is the ability to use his ult off of your teammate's knock ups.

Garen His passive extra damage requires your teammates to get killed by the same person over and over.

Kaisa Kaisa can ult to champs damaged by her teammates.

Neeko can only use her shapeshifting with her teammates.

And I'm not including champs with more minor effects that only work with their teammates like JarvanIV Singed

Cind3rkickOct 1, 20192 votes

So youre saying a support should be able to go top/mid and be able to bully their opponents out of lane?

Their main support aspects is their taunts (of which riot removed the feature that made galio a viable support) and shens W.

They both have ultimates that cannot even be used without an ally. That inherently causes them to rely on at least one teammate to make use of their kit.

And they have 4 teammates to work with, likely one in range at all times no matter where they are on the map. Calling them a support would be deceptive, there are more top/mid/junglers that rely on their team a whole lot more than shen and galio, who can easily hold their own in a 1v1.

KiwiFlavor ZiggsOct 2, 20191 votes

No. Not Support the lane, Support the Role classification under collection tab. Sorry for the lack of clarity. Many champions under that tab are taken Support in lane.

Cind3rkickOct 2, 20191 votes

This is my own limited knowledge of the collections tab so it might not be correct but I think each champion only gets two roles? Shen being tank/fighter and galio being mage/tank? If they do only get 2, I feel its because their current ones simply fit them more than support.

JaspersOct 1, 20191 votes

'Support' is just a role on the map, you can play Darius support as long as you are playing the support role correctly.

They are Wardens. Riot's classification of a Warden is a champ who "... Wardens are surely “defensive tanks.” Wardens stand steadfast, seeking to hold the line by persistently locking down any oncomers who try to pass them. Wardens keep their allies out of harm’s way and allow them to safely deal with enemies caught in the fray."

Taken from this page, might be out of date: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses