Balance Zyra around mid

AbyssalSino ·3/1/2017, 8:39:40 PM·74 votes·3,512 views

The latest nerf on Zyra hit her way too hard, so hard that you can't take her to the midlane and expect to win now. You can't call her a lane bully anymore.

Her plants auto targeting champions were the only form of reliable damage in her kit and now when that's gone it's sad to say that she's completely atrocious. Even in the support lane.

She needs some changes and here are my suggestions.

Decrease the amount of seeds she can have placed on the map and buff her passive and W so that she can spawn seeds faster, this way she will be way more active in both the laning phase and game overall while her ability to zone will be toned down.

Q: I can't express this enough, it needs to be changed back into its original shape. The rectangular Q is way too hard to hit and trying to make the plants target champions by hitting it is near impossible. Especially in higher ELO. Also decrease the cooldown on her Q on earlier levels.

Last but not least, people have pointed this out a thooousand times DECREASE her base damage and INCREASE her AP ratios, this is the only way to hit support Zyra without harming mid Zyra.

64 Comments

Anu3isII3/1/2017, 10:43:15 PM23 votes

I mean, they nerfed Annie's base Damages and Increased her AP ratios, for the same reasons Zyra was nerfed.

Why don't they do it everytime when a Mage goes Bot Lane as "Support"? I really don't get it.

Nymzo3/2/2017, 2:51:48 AM13 votes

Yes take her back, also don't forget Brand, Malzahar and Velkoz.

TheHappyReaperz3/1/2017, 8:52:01 PM6 votes

"so hard that you can't take her to the midlane and expect to win now" You shouldn't play any champion and expect to win. You should play a champion, and try to win.

Revali3/2/2017, 2:14:22 AM4 votes

I really don't get the outcry of the nerf, now you have to land your abilities to be rewarded with your stuff, its a major change now that you cant just level 1-2 fuck someone because you got a lucky plant spawn or choose to zone for fucking eternity just because you're at level 2 (hello Leblanc )

Skorch3/2/2017, 3:31:41 AM3 votes

Please no, i just fought a zyra mid and zyra gives me cancer.

xelaker3/1/2017, 10:32:50 PM3 votes

except that mid mage zyra would be taken as a bot support and proceed to 1v2 the enemy bot lane, while the adc eats glue...

Quepha3/3/2017, 12:05:33 AM2 votes

They tried balancing her around mid She was way too strong support Now they balance her around support

NotCounter3/2/2017, 9:21:54 AM2 votes

making zyra auto attack or land abilities was a pretty welcome change in my opinion, now she has to land abilities to harass/trade which is how it should be. no one liked getting poked by someone who used an ability near them, it's not very interactive for the other person

Tseison3/2/2017, 11:04:10 PM1 votes

Hey Everyone! So I will be posting this in other topics as well just to get some feedback as the position Zyra is in right now. Hoping that we can make Zyra more reliable :)

Passive: No change. "But make seeds spawn in close proximity OR have spells be able to reach the same distance as the seeds.

Q: Increase damage OR ap ratio. "NEW" The size of the spell grows twice at levels 8/16. As a controller this definitely helps with reaching far away seeds, dealing big aoe damage and wave clear too!

W: Holds 3 charges now. (If I'm being chased and my passive is spawning seeds away from me, I NEED to have plants available as quick as possible. It's disappointing that she relies too much on plants but in this case, they need to be readily available).

E: Slightly longer reach for where the vines travel to. No longer summons lashers now as spitters are more reliable.

R: Ultimate will now slow enemies within by 40% or 60%.

#ZyraMain

Fisher No Chains3/1/2017, 8:49:56 PM1 votes

Sigh, I enjoyed her mid too when my champs were banned or I was against someone I could destroy.

Her early poke with plants was her only way to get a kill... She can't 100-0 anyone during laning and her spells are super telegraphed so it's not hard to dodge both her damage and snare.

And about the base/scaling stuff, I think that it's a good idea (something similar already worked with Lulu), but I don't really see a problem with Zyra sup right now. Her win rate dropped by like 2/3% after last patch so I doubt she's worth another nerf to her support role.