Better player loses cause the enemy has someone like kai sa,plus they said multiple times they don' t want pick ban champs right? this world has the most pick bans ever lmao balance team and kai sa has been a big problem since when? ah right her relase but they nerf yorick so good i left this game just went back to check things lmao
Linna Excel47 votesThere are times I wonder if the balance team knows how to do their jobs anymore.
Krully32 votesthey're clearly following orders from the top to make it the game flashy and quick for the '''''''''''e'''''''''' athletes and lcs , if anyone in any job was doing as awful as they are, they'd been sacked months ago
DarkKatalyst3 votesI think you're right on the money. And if it is the case, I feel sorry for the balance team having to take the flak for decisions made higher up. But we probably will never know for sure (not like they're allowed to speak _that _ kind of truth).
Leto GT23 votesBlaming kaisa when xayah rakan urgot and aatrox are priority picks lol.
Madsin252 votesThere are bans and there are two teams.
Just because other champs are also 100% pick ban doesn't mean kaisa isn't a problem.
Daddy Ants11 votes[{quoted}](name=Leto GT,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gGf535cl,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-11T14:59:18.041+0000)
Blaming kaisa when xayah rakan urgot and aatrox are priority picks lol.
Kai'Sa is more priority pick than Xayah Rakan are.
Spank the Fox1 votesKai'Sa is more priority pick than Xayah Rakan are.
Are you even watching Worlds?
Picking Xayah alone almost always forces the enemy to pick Rakan.
Not only that but Koreans love Rakan.
RacoonHunter2 votesno, the only reason kai'sa is more of a priority because of champs like Rakan who can dive into a fight, take little to no damage thanks to knock ups, charms, shields, or the ability to dip out at will. What I've noticed at worlds, Rakan or Xayah have been almost 1-2nd picked in every game. Rakan is the reason that kai'sa can do all the shit she does. Look at either Flash wolves. Literally no one could touch kai';sa thanks to champions like urgot, Sion, and Shen keeping her safe. there was literally NO WAY AFS could get to her. They tried, but failed even with pumping out lots of true damage..
Of course kai'sa is going to dominate when no one can get to her. I mean, look at all the worlds games that kai'sa has lost in so far that doesn't have a peel/tank support or top laner-jungler.
That in lies the issue at worlds. Look at the ADCs that have been played so far.. almost little to no variety, hell, the team comp for all the teams have been virtually identical.. Why? because these are the champions riots pushed down our throats and refuses to actually balance..
GayFluffyUnicorn9 votesXayah rakan being broken is nothing new. Noone cares tho.
Danjeng31 votesKinda weird how all those champs are relatively recently released/reworked.
0DESTROYERZ013 votesthis
Hexs Fortune8 votesWhy don't they ban kai'sa?
saltran4 votesBecause she's strong but not on a Kalista 2k17 levels
Dakeudharma9 votesBecause they need to ban other things. And Xayah still have good success against Kai'sa.
DarkTree13 votes[{quoted}](name=Hexs Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gGf535cl,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-10-11T17:56:29.109+0000)
Why don't they ban kai'sa?
i mean, i'm not saying that riot's interfering with lc$ directly or anything, but there's a clearly strong/overbuffed champion who has a new skin with a "prestige" version coming out right after worlds, which has no correlation whatsoever
saltran2 votesA champ that will get nerfed in the same patch that the "prestige" skin will be released btw.
Poske1 votesi mean, i'm not saying that riot's interfering with lc$ directly or anything, but there's a clearly strong/overbuffed champion who has a new skin with a "prestige" version coming out right after worlds, which has no correlation whatsoever
So lets not nerf OP kaisa for 5 months because in 6th month she is getting a skin? No thats not Riot reasoning wish it was but no they are straight up dogshit at champion balance and live design is dogshit at changing a game on a big scale
NaturesMayhem1 votesLikely because they wish to pick her themselves. It's a coin flip, but some teams may take the risk just to have her.
KVbqbFsC8e7 votesThis is the kind of thread that gets upvoted. These boards are such a joke.
Greystag6 votesWorse than Ardent Censer S7 Worlds.
420 grams6 votesWhy would they nerf Kai sa? She's getting not only a skin next patch, but also a prestige skin. Saying she's too strong is like saying prepulsefire caitlyn was too strong. They definitely need to watch her longer to see if she really is a problem or not.
Nevrankroaton5 votesThis post is such a mess like all whiny post here.
"Better player loses cause the ennemy team has someone like Kaisa", I have watched almost all game for Day one and almost all the game from Day Two and I can assure you any team who won was the better team. You don't suddenly loose a TF because "Kaisa is broken", pros are pros, they have a functionnal brain contrary to other people here and they know how to strategize and also try to get their winning condition to work. If you loose, it mean you did something wrong, end of the story.
If your team comp is weaker late, it mean you failed at getting your win conditions before. If your team has no front line and you let Kaisa DPS you in a choke point, it is your bad. If your ADC is getting zoned by two tank, it mean something was wrong in the way you picked up the fight. And let's not talk about the draft.
EVERY world had some huge pick/ban champion, I feel people don't even get why Urgot is banned outside of his obvious strength atm. Not like he is an incredible flex pick with few bad MU. Did you note Syndra was blind pick almost all the time for mages too? Why do you think it is the case?
Also talking about your boy Yorick when Yorick had other issues that has NOTHING to do with worlds or sh*t like that XD Ah Board, never change.
Ask anyone who know how the high level work (you know, about tempo, about powerspike, about setting up wave, about not letting waves go to waste so your team economy doesn't fall down, about vision war) if it looked like soloQ. It is nothing alike, get the f*ck out of here with your BS.
Slim Gragas2 votesThis post is such a mess like all whiny post here.
"Better player loses cause the ennemy team has someone like Kaisa", I have watched almost all game for Day one and almost all the game from Day Two and I can assure you any team who won was the better team. You don't suddenly loose a TF because "Kaisa is broken", pros are pros, they have a functionnal brain contrary to other people here and they know how to strategize and also try to get their winning condition to work. If you loose, it mean you did something wrong, end of the story.
If your team comp is weaker late, it mean you failed at getting your win conditions before. If your team has no front line and you let Kaisa DPS you in a choke point, it is your bad. If your ADC is getting zoned by two tank, it mean something was wrong in the way you picked up the fight. And let's not talk about the draft.
EVERY world had some huge pick/ban champion, I feel people don't even get why Urgot is banned outside of his obvious strength atm. Not like he is an incredible flex pick with few bad MU. Did you note Syndra was blind pick almost all the time for mages too? Why do you think it is the case?
Also talking about your boy Yorick when Yorick had other issues that has NOTHING to do with worlds or sh*t like that XD Ah Board, never change.
Ask anyone who know how the high level work (you know, about tempo, about powerspike, about setting up wave, about not letting waves go to waste so your team economy doesn't fall down, about vision war) if it looked like soloQ. It is nothing alike, get the f*ck out of here with your BS.
Ooh so basically, who cares if something is unbalanced, you can still win regardless so it just doesn't matter! Who needs patches when there are matches where people win vs champions like Irelia and Kaisa, it must mean they aren't a problem if they ever lose, they would only be broken if they won 100% of matches! Hilarious dude, its not how balance works, just cause you are partially in control of the game doesn't mean that it doesn't matter what the state of champions are, its ALL on you huh? Why even have a balance team right, i mean its not like they do anything good anyway honestly though...
Nevrankroaton1 votesI never said patching or balancing a champion was a bad thing, but again it is better to farm upvote in the echo chamber rather than have an actual talk?
It isn't like the pro team won with Kaisa because they used their team composition well, did very good choice on their tempo, made great decision making (Did you see how Kaisa is used as some sort of 'ganker' for her toplaner because of her ultimate?) or that a kaisa got a quadra kill because of an insane choice in the teamfight and not because "OMG KAISA IS SO OP, SHE DEAL TEN BILLION DAMAGE, THEY ONLY WIN BECAUSE OF THAT." She did get her pentakill because she got that quadrakill, the tower and the farm tho.
Did Kaisa win 100% of her game? Hum...
Here is the data for world:
http://gol.gg/tournament/tournament-stats/World%20Championship%202018/
Kaisa is currently at 5 win and 7 loss (she will be at 6 win and 7 loss after FNC loss against invictus gaming if I am not mistaken). If she was THAT broken or a dominant pick, she would make pick and ban.
I just watched FNC Vs Invictus Gaming and Kaisa didn't snowball because she is an insane champ here, she got the lead because of extremely good gank from a Xin xhao and then another huge gank bot, etc.
The thing is that because a champ have a huge strength (here, Kaisa damage and the way she scale very strongly if ahead), you think it is so unbalanced this thing is too broken and you can't play the game. And the World Championship proved it isn't how it work, what won the game is a LOT of thing. Individual skill play, the match-up, your champ strength, the gestion of macro, the vision war, the tempo, etc.
World isn't like soloQ. It is the total contrary. Kaisa strength feel too much in soloQ because you have no real understanding of the game (you think you or me think about tempo? Wave management? This sh*t is only made in challenger/HIGH challenger game...) so it come to very basic way of winning. Champ strength, mechanic, how good you get with snowballing.
Kaisa need tuning, but she isn't an unbalanced monster like the juggernaut update brought in S5 (the fake a*s famous "cool" season because "everyone was playable").
But what is the point of contesting fallacious argument in this board anyway... Better say the balance team killed ten puppy and certainly eat children while making insane capitalist plan... What is a discussion and having level headed talk right?
BULLSEYE891 votesI get ur perspective man. it's just that kai'sa is far from balanced. she neither has the right kit nor numbers. with all the hype that was created - a better version of vayne, the whole void event ( when rift herald was about to be replaced with baron, a void projectile would hit it) players felt like she should have been developed a bit more. she ended being just a generic ADC, albeit owerpowered. her VO was generic, her BA skin was just a copy of PROJECT vayne . it seems like they released this champion for the sake of releasing a champion. that's why a lot of players (me inclusive) are frustrated. she's just a heap of balance and visual problems.
Nevrankroaton2 votesOn a personnal level, while the design is... It could be way better (we all know why, I don't mind Kaisa being someone who didn't got horribly murdered by the void, I feel they could have make her suit really more... organic/kinda like a monster, and promote that the girl under it is still sane/safe. Kinda like a Samus Aran situation, I feel they missed their opportunity to do the 'beauty' stuff along with this the theme)./ But I really like her story or who she is. It REALLY change of fucking character being depressive mess with ADHD who are like "I saw war/saw some stuff". I want people who get to be positive, who want to do better, I want more variety of reaction when people are confronted to the unspeakable (especially when Kaisa only touched like the freaking border of the void, contrary to Kass or Malz technically).
As a kit, honestly, I feel it is just a matter of number tuning. Really. I agree her kit is kinda generic but I feel riot suceeded (I know it sound weird to say "Suceed" with Kaisa XD) to make an ADC that can have a REAL flexibility in her build and is actually a true hybrid. You really can play her AP, you really can play her on-hit and she can be play AD too (even if it is the less efficient build now).
I really think it is just a matter of her passive number being too high, people talk about her R shield but I don't think it is truly an issue. It is just that her scaling and base number are very high on her passive, it make guinsoo REALLY efficient and it make her AP build scale VERY fast. It is also why you see some Kaisa get so huge, if she snowball, her current kit make her scale into midgame like a madwoman. Nerf the strength of her scaling and I think she will be good.
I really feel the ideas they have to tune her passive on the PBE will help, it will certainly help more than people think.
BULLSEYE891 voteswhat I hate about her is that she's a late game champion (atleast that's what riot wants her to be) but she hits 6 and dashes with a shield (whose value is sorely underestimated) to all in and kill me (and she can cause Q + passive).
even without balance talk, she's not exactly showing a personality. maybe she could have a different perspective on the void from Kassadin and Malzahar. something along the lines of "the same hammer that shatters glass, forges steel" kinda thing.
and please, PLEASE, DO NOT SAY riot succeeded on kai'sa. they missed the mark they set by miles. the only thing they got was a flexible build path, in exchange for an overloaded mess of a champion, that left both it's players (me inclusive) and others frustrated.
DoktorKaiser3 votesPersonally I find Irelia much more disgusting, but also Kai'Sa , Le Blanc, Akali, Rakan etc. are a fucking disgrace. It's like having a couple dozen season 5 Mordekaisers.
3TWarrior1 votesseason 5 he was fine, then he got reworked and he no longer was "fine"
DoktorKaiser3 votesI meant season 5 Worlds when Mordekaiser was freshly reworked and famously had like 95% ban rate and was picked just 5% time. He dominated those games and killed everyone.
Spank the Fox3 votesClearly you didn’t see Sneaky int on Kai’Sa then.
Also Urgot is more autowin than Kai’Sa have proved to be. Even Irelia’s prescense is overwhelming.
chipndip13 votesI've watched a decent amount of players on Kai'Sa lose. Actually, NA has been getting Kai'Sa and losing pretty consistently so far, so Idk where this is coming from.
Just cause someone is PICKED doesn't mean they WON.
sobi9993 votesSo Kai'sa needs to have an 100% winrate to be troublesome.
I like your idea of overpowered. Seems like it will save riot a lot of balance changes and save us the trouble of seeing their contradicting balancing.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesWhat was it? 65% in play ins? Lmao.
chipndip11 votesI didn't say she isn't over-tuned. I said "people don't auto-win by picking her, even when they're the worse team".
You should read the post in full next time instead of the last sentence.
sobi9991 votesThen it would have been a good idea, at the end of your conversation to then agree with the OP about Kai'sa being over-tuned, albeit not being auto-win.
Its not going to hurt your ego but rather it will prove your point better.
chipndip11 votesAlso a good idea for you to not put words into my post or tell me to fuel your shitty circle jerk.
Like, where do you get off misrepresenting what I say, THEN telling me what to do?
RyzeTheSmurfMage2 votesRiot: nerfs Ryze and Azir instead of Kai'Sa again Me: Excuse me what the fuck?
Dakeudharma1 voteshttps://lol.gamepedia.com/2016_Season_World_Championship/Champion_Statistics
https://lol.gamepedia.com/2018_Season_World_Championship/Main_Event/Champion_Statistics
Just some stats if some "smart" point out that there would always somebody op. Just compare it.
5050BS1 votesInteresting that Urgot is 100% P/B but has a 33% win rate.
5050BS1 votesInteresting that Urgot is 100% P/B but has a 33% win rate.
Also just LOVE seeing NONE of my favorite champs even played once.
Dakeudharma1 votesUrgot is dominating solo queue in Korea for last 3 patches. I'm not so sure why, because I'm not playing him. Probably because tanks are slightly more efficient currently then bruisers or split-pushers. And Urgot profit from it since bruiser build is still good and his ultimate can shutdown tanks. And stoneplate + w can make him a tank for a while. And yeah I feel for you, my most played champions. (karma, sejuani, anivia, malzahar, janna, nami) are not picked too xd.
saltran1 votesYour most played champ this season on rankeds is fucking Swain who has been a strong pick for months and months but cry because he isn't played at Worlds?
RekSai CoffeeCo1 votesInteresting that Urgot is 100% P/B but has a 33% win rate.
Also just LOVE seeing NONE of my favorite champs even played once.
I would be willing to bet tho if a champion that you/I liked who wasn't meta/what riot liked they would get the 
treatment tho.
saltran1 votesKT Ucal, the LCK midlaner champion is playing right now Swain mid.
Will you still cry?
GripaAviara1 votesToday, Kaisa again rapes. Guess that's what you learn in the void world
Slim Gragas1 votesWhen people think that winrates are the only deciding factor to something needing to be nerfed xd. Kaisa is picked about every game shes open, just cause a team loses with her doesn't mean that she isn't unbalanced, thats not how it works.
