You mean to tell me that a 300 gold item can make a stealth champion or any traps virtually useless as soon as the game starts? There has to be another way you can counter stealth in ARAM without making it completely obsolete from the moment the game starts.
SouL1ess15 votesRiot doesn't have a clue for how to begin on counterplays on stealth on SR, why do you think they will understand what they should do on HA?
Saianna5 votesI believe they do have clues on how to make Stealth more rewarding without making it obscene. The thing is, they are afraid to change anything cause 10 yo kids would cry on boards as they did few years ago, thus adding more labor on Riot.
We all know that Riot would prefer to remove a map from the game instead making it bot-proof. So changing just few champions? Naaah. Pointless waste of money.
Imo Latency should make ARAM as experimental battlefield. Make changes that could be copied to SR later. I doubt that would ever happen, because Latency avoids changing ARAM and all of his focus lies in featured game modes. Not to mention changing ARAM = more work. Noone likes work. Not even stanta.
Mandang01 votesThere are 10 yo kids on both sides of the issue, that has nothing to do with why Riot responded to stealth the way they did.
Until someone takes the problem seriously, I'm perfectly content with stealth getting left in the gutter.
Jeddite4 votesHere's an example of countering stealth in ARAM that you will never see from ARAM Bronze League™ players:
http://i.imgur.com/X55iCEs.png
Thanks to the beta-queers at Rito James™ who make entirely unnecessary itemization changes to ARAM -- "BECAUSE GAME DESIGNER" -- we're all stuck with Oracle Elixirs (only) now, and nobody is better off.
Eedat3 votesSorry, something needed to be done about Teemo shrooms and it ruined it for all the others. Teemo shrooms were so god damn strong
Jeddite7 votesSorry, something needed to be done about Teemo shrooms and it ruined it for all the others. Teemo shrooms were so god damn strong
Yeah, see, there WAS something. That something was called a Hextech Sweeper or a Lightbringer.
Teemo was only a problem for the ARAM Bronze League™ who (A) never bothered to build a Sweeper or a Lightbringer; (B) never built any MR against an AP Teemo. At MMR/ELO above ARAM Bronze, AP Teemo is near-useless because players who know how to build tanks/bruisers will incorporate Sweepers into their itemization and take out the shrooms, leaving AP Teemo with little but trying to Blinding Shot the enemy ADC before getting smashed.
GrReaper961 votesTo be honest sweeper just made teemo obsolete with perma vision of his shrooms
dapositiveviking1 votesbut not for 300 gold and sacrificing a part of your build
Jeddite1 votesTo be honest sweeper just made teemo obsolete with perma vision of his shrooms
That would be the point. "OMG A COUNTER TO TRAPS PLZ NERF."
And Sweeper doesn't make Teemo (or Shaco) obsolete. No, trap-detection means there is a COUNTER to AP Teemo and AP Shaco.
id rather see stealth be brokenly UP than OP, facing ap shaco and teemo on aram is just nuts already
im not sure how riot could balance it out so both parties can be happy
Not a matter of balancing to make both parties "happy". It's all a matter of counter-play. AP Teemo or AP Shaco killing your AD/AP carries? Invest in a Sweeper (or Lightbringer) for stealth/trap detection. Even having trap-detection requires careful pathing; dumbass carries walking in front of the tank/bruiser with the trap detection still walk right over traps and lose 30-50% of the health.
Using the active to detect a Talon, Vayne, Khazix, Rengar requires proper aiming/timing (LOL AKALI LOL).
God Raijin2 votesI definitely disagree, Teemo IS and has BEEN fine even in High MMR aram, even when lightbringer and sweeper existed, the fact that his shrooms can be thrown now (with 900 range @lv16) and bounced as well, means he can throw them into the fray of teamfights from safety OR thwart champions trying to dive into your team by throwing them down the very second they go and engage. Also the fact that 
exist mean that he's a decent backline DPS champion that can burn down tanks/their frontline decently.
Also the other idea is that if your team comp has any poke, you defend and threaten whoever wants to walk up and clear your shrooms, meaning that they might end up clearing it, BUT take poke that they wouldn't have taken in the first place --Ultimately ending in the same result, they have less hp.
*Experience 4600+ arams played and up to hour long que times at certain hours
Saianna3 votesLol no xD
Teemo was only strong when he played against idiots. I'm not afraid to use this words: Intelectual potatos. Players who'd prefer to LOSE their game instead of buying Oracle or sweeper, cause they need more gold to finish their 4th IE.
DeadlyStalker2 votesYou are the idiot. You don't know the horrors of 1.5 Ap ratio Mushroom Teemo back in late season 3. Stepping on a single Mushroom of his 20 mushroom Garden than he planted every game usually dictated how a team fight would end, even before it started.
Sweeper and Oracle can only do so much by the way.
Saianna1 votes1,5 ap ratio?
What were you sniffing :D?
Spoofghoul1 votesi think it was 1.0 or 0.8 or something i dont remember
i know they halved it
but 1.5 seem retarded af especially since they lasted 10 minutes and you could have 40 of planted around
but they did half hp you
Saianna1 votesit used to be 0.8
then liandry came
then Riot nerfed it to 0,5
then riot buffed vision
few times
then added crab, which nullified WHOLE RIVER from teemo shrooms
then nerfed shroom duration
Yea they dealt half hp to a squishy, but dude.. you can't blame teemo for playing against retards, do you? You have vision in shop. Buy it. Also avoid most basic shroom planting places.
Spoofghoul1 votesyea but back then oracles was a thing too
come lategame literally everyone had an oracles elixer after which your shrooms where pretty useless
LadyRenly3 votesid rather see stealth be brokenly UP than OP, facing ap shaco and teemo on aram is just nuts already
im not sure how riot could balance it out so both parties can be happy
Jeddite2 votesThere was another way to counter stealth. Then some beta-queer at Rito James™ decided that ARAM itemization needed to be changed. Because reasons.
And here we are.
Brosepius Maxim1 votesThere is an absolutely retardedly easy way to make both parties happy in ARAM and in other maps, and I don't understand why no one has bothered mentioning it. Just make items such as hextech sweeper and lightbringer a useable item with a duration buff... a short one with a short cooldown like 3 min CD with 60 second duration. This gives champs like teemo 2 minutes of shrooming and a way to counter some of it but not necessarily all of it. A lot can happen in 60 seconds, but it usually takes more than 60 seconds to push past ALL of teemos shrooms or at least to push a full ARAM through a turret mid game. There are exceptions of course but its a good balance rather than just giving everyone a big wall of NO. Champs like teemo are disgusting in areas where they can sit in the back line and just shroom shroom shroom and only jump in to throw a blind and run away. Its not even fun to play him if you aren't challenged. If you think that 60 seconds is too long that's fine, it could be shortened as needed for game balance. Personally I don't want champs like teemo to be completely irrelevant because of perma vision counter but I also don't want them to be irrelevant because of perma ban status as well or because of the lack of fun to play against factor. Its not always about what bronze tier cries about sometimes its actually about what IS actually wrong with the balance of a particular map.
Edge of Daybreak2 votesYeah. I used to love getting a stealth champion even though they had items to counter them.. now with oracles. there is a zero gameplay hard counter to the mechanic that you cant even do anything about. FUN! Engaging. How long until league starts to tank and we get real changes!?
wind guy2 votesThey should just add sweepers on a longer cooldown or something
Mistress Madoka2 votesEZ, Just don't rely on the stealth. Play Teemo like your average ADC
Only Play Darius2 votesGood. Stealth traps are toxic on a map that small. Especially in Teemo's case where there's only one minion wave and he can continuously wave clear.
SpecterVonBaren1 votesMake it so instead of revealing traps, things like oracles and such instead reduce their damage and cc duration by 50%. Boom. You still counter them but they aren't rendered useless.
lofi n chillhop1 votesat the very least I wish snoball would stop revealling stealthed enemies....
Herim1 votesRito pls?
DrugsForRobots1 votesThere is a way, but to quote 20thCenturyFaux, it's gonna take a lot of elbow grease.
I.e. They know that to make stealth fun and fair for everyone, they're gonna have to go in and work on each instance of stealth, making sure each has proper telegraphing and particles so that observant players can 'deal with it' without needing a specific counter item that totally counters the stealth champion.
Soon...
