Why buff ornn?

2kewl4life·Nov 22, 2017·50 votes·5,790 views

While everyone is complaining about Ezreal, I just wanted to point out how busted ornn is after the new patch. "We didn't account for all the bonus damage Ornn's E gets from bonus armor and magic resist—woops! SEARING CHARGE DAMAGE 20/40/60/80/100 ⇒ 30/50/70/90/110 SEARING CHARGE SHOCKWAVE DAMAGE 40/80/120/160/200 ⇒ 50/90/130/170/210" This shit is busted, a ornn in my last game went full tank and did a hell ton of damage. Ornn already has cc on every ability he has which makes him a big lane bully and now Riot is choosing to reward ornn with damage when building tank.

34 Comments

RiotRiot MapleNectarNov 23, 201713 votes

These changes went out in a micropatch almost 2 weeks ago. We realized that we missed the compensation buffs he was supposed to get for losing flat armor and mr from runes/masteries. Even with it having been applied, he's still sitting below 50% regardless of what keystone he takes, though we're likely going to look to take some power out of him in the near future. Not giving him a buff he was supposed to get (along with other people that got the exact same compensation buffs) felt incorrect especially when he was sitting at 45.5% when we made the call to do it.

Sahn UzalNov 23, 20172 votes

I'd suggest looking at his mana costs or mana pool, if/when you do decide he needs to lose some power.

GayFluffyUnicornNov 23, 20172 votes

Y'know i get you use winrates often when it fits you and disregard when it doesn't but in this case i just have to say idc about cho, ornn, maokai winrate. These champs are plain overpowered. They outduel duelists and carry toplaner while scaling, needing less skill nor do they need to snowball to be useful since they are still tanky, have CC etc unlike fighters who need to risk things and be aggressive if they want to have impact and somehow a lot of toplane players come to the conclusion that there should be some trade off in picking certain champs in this case tanks. Now you come and give them demolition rune so they also outsplitpush splitpush champs. These are all facts A LOT of people are complaining low to high elo no matter their winrate. Many people are content with picking the next fotm op champ some others have their champs and feel left behind especially this season with the loss of fervor and you doing nothing to help us. Fervor was the last bandaid that helped bruisers to be able to deal with tanks due to superior sustained dmg and that is gone.

FTWolfNov 23, 20171 votes

What about Ornn's W what is your opinion on the ability from a laning perspective, how often he can use it, how much dmg it does etc. Im just curious?

FireDrizzleNov 22, 201712 votes

Riot created a tank that cant peel most of the time because everything is delayed and also he doesnt have a reliable way to start a combo like meta tanks aside from Cho. They compensated by turning him into a lane bully for melees but I dont think that is what they envisioned.

InfinitexMortalNov 22, 201711 votes

And i was saying he was broken and doing too much dmg for how tanky he was prebuff...... Seems like every patch has to buff Ornn

3ternalkarmaNov 22, 20177 votes

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While everyone is complaining about Ezreal, I just wanted to point out how busted ornn is after the new patch. "We didn't account for all the bonus damage Ornn's E gets from bonus armor and magic resist—woops! SEARING CHARGE DAMAGE 20/40/60/80/100 ⇒ 30/50/70/90/110 SEARING CHARGE SHOCKWAVE DAMAGE 40/80/120/160/200 ⇒ 50/90/130/170/210" This shit is busted, a ornn in my last game went full tank and did a hell ton of damage.

people dont use his E for damage... at least any that i know of. his W and passive is where all his damage comes from. also they are just compensating for the fact he lost the damage he got from armor/mr runes

2kewl4lifeNov 23, 20171 votes

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people dont use his E for damage... at least any that i know of. his W and passive is where all his damage comes from. also they are just compensating for the fact he lost the damage he got from armor/mr runes

But more damage means more damage.....

ªTeemoNov 22, 20177 votes

playing versus ornn in lane was annoying anyway, better make it worse

Proxy345Nov 22, 20175 votes

Mmmm delicious~

They probably did this to boost his popularity though lol its still rare to find an Ornn in a match compared to Kayn.

Alex h8721Nov 22, 20175 votes

Ornn is very overtuned currently, very banworthy.

SohleksNov 22, 20174 votes

Another meme buff

SB ArneemanNov 23, 20174 votes

Ornn is just stupidly powerful. I played Azir one game, vs Leblanc and Kha'zix. I could easily kill Leblanc since I got a lead, and even kill the fed enemy Kha if I could cancel his jump with my R. Then a random support Orrn appears alone in the midlane. Guess what? He was able to kill me. I admit I didn't kite properly, I dashed in since I expected the enemy support to be an easy kill. A higher level Azir, with full health and barrier, should be able to outdamage a support Orrn, right? Then he dealt huge damage while being super tanky, in addition to massive CC. His damage is just overloaded when he has that much CC+engage in his kit. They have buffed him way too much.

Also, it's not that I'm a noob at Azir. Got to diamond with him at a 66% winrate. The thing is, when you are ahead as Azir you simply outdamage most champions even in melee so this really surprised me.

ElishevaNov 22, 20173 votes

because fuck you

AS I LAY FEEDINGNov 22, 20173 votes

I find his melee range the most disturbing

UnknownTerritoryNov 23, 20171 votes

Good joke*[sg-kiko]*

Colton147Nov 22, 20172 votes

As someone who plays Ornn , he is still weak in his own way.

ThefrostyvikingNov 22, 20172 votes

His ulti doesnt have a 200% armor&magic resist scaling to help him deal some damage to caught enemy squishes while remaining tanky.

He's also not quite as fast as a fullbuild ulting yi.

Nor does he have any infinite scalings.

Or even a tank steroid as strong as Seju's passive.

Quite weak indeed, i rate 6 outa 10.

LordGeovanniNov 22, 20172 votes

Orrn is weak as a champion but his W changing from current health damage is busted. Orrn needs less delays and things that arent number changes besides revert to current health damage

Dying InstinctNov 22, 20172 votes

Because he's Ornn to fight

HeyItzSteveNov 22, 20172 votes

Ornn is stronger thanks to his recent buffs but he isn't busted. When I play Ornn, he feels really weak in his early game, unless you go against another weak, squishy early game champ. If you pick a harass/poke champ against him and get a gank or two, Ornn sucks.