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THE MØNEY SHØT·10/10/2019, 2:56:26 AM·1 votes·2,320 views

How to counter play camp down bot lane?

Issues/ Concerns:

Jungle will camp my lane bot lane and with little to no consequence. Still effectively csing and out leveling bot lane.
My jungle will afk farm and ignore bot lane and dragon control.( So no impact to the game)
Mid and Jungle will dive bot lane with no consequence and no counter play.
I use other strategies and tilt my teammates trying to be creative or try to play out of the situation.
In conclusion, i do not know what to do because there's not effective way to play out of this as an ADC.
Mid and Jungle, solo lanes, out level you so you consistently at disadvantage.

I feel like something has to happen to the jungle role or something because I don't think it's fair for a jungle just camping a lane without any consequences. I'm not sure what RIOT can do about this:

Possible solutions:

Make the jungle items rewarding for ganking and make harder to level in the jungle when AFK farming jungle. ( this will help force jungle to actually play with his/ hers teammates
Make actually supports stronger so they can help counter play the camp lane. ( I understand why riot doesn't want ADCs to be stronger)

Like if my jungle doesn't help me or refuses to help me. Why should i be punish because their jungle decides to help their bot lane and Mid and Jungle decides to camp me?

14 Comments

Posui Gart10/10/2019, 3:10:55 PM2 votes

Jungle will camp my lane bot lane and with little to no consequence. Still effectively csing and out leveling bot lane. My jungle will afk farm and ignore bot lane and dragon control.( So no impact to the game)

There are consequences. Any competent jungler can punish such camping by either ganking other lanes, counterjungling or counterganking. Asking "how do i win a game without a jungler" is like asking "how do i win 4x5". You usually don't.

Mid and Jungle will dive bot lane with no consequence and no counter play.

Again, there are consequences. What are your mid and jungle doing at the time? They can counter the dive or push/kill another lane. Its easier to dive 3v1(your mid, jungle and top vs their top) than 4v2(their bot, jungle and mid vs your bot)

I use other strategies and tilt my teammates trying to be creative or try to play out of the situation.

Your only valid strategy here(if you really are 4-men dived constantly and nobody helps with this) is to surrender your tower, ward jungle near t2 and safely farm there

Hunkmenlordy10/10/2019, 5:25:52 PM2 votes

It's simple , you just need to dodge and kite, instead of run in and press everyting all together

Aatrox Eichmann10/10/2019, 6:20:05 AM1 votes

jungle is more of an issue top, as a guy who played only JG and Support I can tell you camping isnt too much of an issue unless they specifically camp you over and over(as if in duo). changes in jungle exp always ends in disaster. if a lane is being camped and your jungler's champ isn't kitted out to counter gank you might just end up losing more, jungle showing himself for a failed countergank is a huge issue, since it reveals where they are, opening up for the enemy's jungler to get the opposite side crab, contest the crab on that side with a free laner, clear his camps on the other side, or gank the lane the jungler is opposite to. lets say its a hecarim, if he comes in with pred boots its of course a great countergank, but if its a jungle cho with glacial or a rek'sai on the other side of the map doing clears or setting up another lane for vision/gank etc, its best for them to lay low and get a lead later or from elsewhere, that's the perspective of a jungler, if its a reksai or kindred, they'd take this opportunity to counter jungle and steal camps. at least I would. midlaners can also consider shoving and roaming to make up for this, this is why a good midlaner is so desirable to us as junglers, they can cover the other half of the map that we aren't on. as a support you can consider roaming or playing safe until you reach a powerspike, a great choice for this is bard, good roams, good gank setup, good damage on your own, good lane sustain for both adc&support.

Edit: I checked your match history, no biggie, I got this account of my own out from Iron II to gold in 2 weeks playing support in silver(yikes). what you might want to consider is taking PRESS THE ATTACK on kindred, every time. and play her in the jungle, she's only good there. as an ADC she is absolutely horrible and lacks kill pressure if there is no extra-man-gank-advantage since as an adc her ult does nothing to do extra dmg. as bard start into item 3098 , don't finish it and as soon as you can ward with it switch your trinket to Sweeping Lens(red ward reveal thingy that unlocks lvl9) and only finish the full support item if you're 1. Behind as shit 2.you have a few other items and have just enough gold for it for the extra hp stats & ward 3.last item as a bard heres the things you NEED to get in order: item 3905 item 3174 item 3107 other things like item 3109 and item 3504 optional, I've also seen that you run item 3100 on bard? DON'T DO THIS. it is a very niche item on bard and you might've seen other ppl run it in norms, its bc they're either ahead or their adc is behind as hell, its a FUN item to boost his dmg, bard is a support. not a duelist. though he can definitely fight when it comes down to it.

PSST if you really want to item 3100 it up, go item 3165 instead because it gives your already good Ability Power that penetration you need later and stops the enemies you hit from healing! [vlad-salute]

THE MØNEY SHØT10/10/2019, 7:06:21 AM1 votes

Seems like players can explain how to climb into gold not as adc but no can seems to tell me how to climb to gold as adc. That’s very interesting. Proving how weak the role is