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Trolls in rank game is a huge issue!!!

THE MØNEY SHØT··21 votes·19,212 views

There should be rank bans for trolls. I'm coming across back to back games that players just be trolling right from the start of the game. It is decease game-play satisfaction.

Examples of Trolls:

  • Supports hitting cs and this puts the marksman behind because we're a scaling role; Supports just straight taking cs from the marksman and marksman can't even scale in the game.
  • Players literally intentionally feeding
  • Players are purposely not working together or giving up The list goes on. I understand NA is a "for fun region", but this will help make rank more competitive and enjoyable. I don't mind trolls in normals and blind because i have nothing to lose but the game. However, in rank, i'm giving long hours and free LP for something i have no control of it because one player can lose you the game but one player cannot win you the game.

Solution for trolls:

1st rank ban should be 3 days 2nd rank ban should be 2 weeks 3rd rank ban should be 2 weeks 4th permanently ban

People have families and jobs and trolls make rank play a complete waste of my day. I want to feel like my reports are actually doing something about the problem because it's happening way too often. I have been ban twice by riot and i do not whatsoever troll anymore in rank. I learned my lesson. this will help players to be reformed and not troll in rank games.

33 Comments

Tahminatrix 8 votes

"Supports hitting cs"

Be mindful that sometimes a support will hit your farm in order to prep it for tower, earlier in the game an adc`s auto attack might not be enough to finish off a minion after the tower hits them, especially when the enemy laners are shoving and you don't want to lose too much turret hp/cs that you might have missed anyway. Sometimes its best for the support to find time in order to damage the wave a bit before it even hits your turret.

And on the flipside, that support could be trying to shove the wave into the enemy turret in order to help put the ENEMY adc behind. (or they think that you might not be able to get that cs anyway)

There is also the issue of ignorance, in lower elo, a lot of players don't even see "Support" as an actual dedicated "help everyone else in this specific way" role.

There is no in game indication that your team definitively needs someone who is supposed to bend overbackwards for their teammates and not try to help carry. Every other role that pops up in matchmaking has a name that literally says where they go (top mid bot jg) support is the only one that looks alittle sketchy, some will think they need to be the strong laner to help their adc survive the laning phase and that its their job to carry and babysit them or something similar.

5050BS4 votes

Times I CS as Support.

  1. Pushing wave to when enemy BOT is roaming or backed and we can hit the turret if we push.
  2. My ADC is not in lane
  3. My ADC cant CS for their life.
  4. My ADC is feeding

Why waste CS Gold on a ADC that cant play their role when I can use that gold to pull up the slack.

THE MØNEY SHØT5 votes

I take everything in consideration in a per situation basis. You can't start the game from the very beginning be like oh my adc cannot cs and steal cs from him. Now if he cannot get the cs, I understand why the support takes it, but if he can. there's no reason why support should be hitting cs.

floo2 votes

You putting your adc even more behind when they die often certainl won't help them to come back. Supports don't need as much gold to buy items and be useful, that's WHY they are in the support role. Your adc can only be strong if he gets the items he relies on.

Illabethe3 votes

OP is literally talking about people who go to lane, and begin taking CS while the adc is in lane. I actually had this happen 2 days ago with a Brand. Continually used skills and auto attacks to take 50% of my CS. I had to buy a support item just to stay relevant, because Brand is actually a good CS stealing champ.

Keskiyo2 votes

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"Supports hitting cs"

Be mindful that sometimes a support will hit your farm in order to prep it for tower, earlier in the game an adc`s auto attack might not be enough to finish off a minion after the tower hits them, especially when the enemy laners are shoving and you don't want to lose too much turret hp/cs that you might have missed anyway. Sometimes its best for the support to find time in order to damage the wave a bit before it even hits your turret.

And on the flipside, that support could be trying to shove the wave into the enemy turret in order to help put the ENEMY adc behind. (or they think that you might not be able to get that cs anyway)

There is also the issue of ignorance, in lower elo, a lot of players don't even see "Support" as an actual dedicated "help everyone else in this specific way" role.

There is no in game indication that your team definitively needs someone who is supposed to bend overbackwards for their teammates and not try to help carry. Every other role that pops up in matchmaking has a name that literally says where they go (top mid bot jg) support is the only one that looks alittle sketchy, some will think they need to be the strong laner to help their adc survive the laning phase and that its their job to carry and babysit them or something similar.

I think they mean players who play champs like Veigar and button mash their aoe on the wave and purposely set you behind. Prepping cs for under tower is fine, but people who go out of their way to use abilities on the wave just because they got autofilled support so they want to make the AD's life miserable, is a whole different story.

THE MØNEY SHØT1 votes

I agree with this statement especially the game is for marksman to scale.

Illabethe1 votes

Nope. RIght now there are literally supports who are farming.

THE MØNEY SHØT1 votes

it still doesn't explain cs taking and hitting causing the marksman to miss cs and put the marksman behind when the game is already design for marksman to scale. Players like that should be rank ban

xDogMeatx7 votes

or just ban them from ranked instead of a permaban by blacking out the ranked button on them?

THE MØNEY SHØT7 votes

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or just ban them from ranked instead of a permaban by blacking out the ranked button on them?

this is actually a great idea and it will help rank maintain it's competitive nature through all ranks

THE MØNEY SHØT1 votes

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or just ban them from ranked instead of a permaban by blacking out the ranked button on them?

this is actually a great idea and it will help rank maintain it's competitive nature through all ranks

CYB3RUN05 votes

I think you have a point here

BallziBatman5 votes

Wait...its frowned upon to ks as support taric when i'm carrying like a boss?

Butterwood3 votes

Not frowned upon. Definitely outrageous, though. Truly, truly outrageous.

ØrnnToGetTrolleÐ2 votes

That's what I've been saying all this time...

Sleep On Stream1 votes

i cant understand why they dont implement a rank ban on there accounts now... make them playing normals keeps the idiots out of ranked games spoiling it for the rest of us

Saevum1 votes

Some trolls are polite though.

THE MØNEY SHØT1 votes

I still don't see politeness making me waste time and lose lp for this

Saevum1 votes

Well, that's all we have. The system punish accounts via chat logs. Not performance.

Kaisha1 votes

There's nothing left in league to do but to troll... the rest of the game has been completely gutted, and the community is more toxic than its every been.

THE MØNEY SHØT2 votes

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There's nothing left in league to do but to troll... the rest of the game has been completely gutted, and the community is more toxic than its every been.

hm.. only time i can see players being toxic when you're in your rank games and you give it your all to win, but your team trolls you; so it's like all your effort is wasted because one player can lose you the game but not win you the game.

DingDongDanger1 votes

Got into my promos to get out of Bronze, 1st game mid lane did absolutely nothing, didn't follow lane just scratched his balls the whole time. 2nd game, Thresh quit literally about 5 minutes into game never came back. 3rd game top lane inted. Like actually inted. Pinged them numerous times and they fed the hell out of jungle and top lane. It's games like this that make it impossible to get anywhere. Our Thresh had no reason to actually leave, he just said bye and left. I'm getting to the point where I am openly raging at people in chat and it doesn't feel good but it is so frustrating when people intentionally screw their teams. If you die trying well hey at least you tried.

Malix Farwin1 votes

Can't really punish someone from taking CS.

Can't punish someone for not grouping either that makes no sense.

A lot of the things you want to punish people for is lack of knowledge things. Furthermore theres no real system they could even implement to detect that type of stuff without punishing innocent people.

Taking a look at your own match history you would get punished for going 1/7 and 1/5 a week and a half ago.

In your elo(bronze) and even in silver people do not fully understand a lot of the concepts you want to essentially ban people for and you cannot honestly believe Riot or anyone else important will take this thread seriously.

Illabethe1 votes

You do realize you're assigning a rank to people who have been demoted 3-4 ranks due to the season start? "Bronze" right now is saturated with smurfs/Silver/ExGold. Bronze has moved down to Iron.

I have seen a Lee Sin/Akali duo literally coordinate spot perfect assassinations an entire game, overwhelming every possibly outplay you try to present.

Last night I had a Yorick perfect play vs my Illaoi about 6 games after I stomped a Yorick (By perfect play I mean he had his full minion hoard every single time, which means that Illaoi can't eliminate them fast enough to win the trade; 7 + 1 Queen; You need 2 rotations of Illaoi's ult to kill the creeps, and the Queen still won't be dead). He was so fast that every time I secured an E and ulted him late game, he got away, even vs an Iceborne, when MY team had a Sona support who could speed boost us. And.... it's not as if he was actually fed. He ended the game 4/6. But that didn't matter because he was omnipresent and dealing with him meant we weren't dealing with someone else. (An actual Bronze/Silver Yorick wouldn't be able to do this)

I was 70% Win rate up until the last 2 days in 60+ games. Two things happened since then:

-I got a chat restriction for 10 games for getting frustrated at every game being a 1v5 where I can pull off a carry that is noticeable above my team -I got every role up to promotions to get the account into Silver.

SInce these two things happened, every single game has legitimately had -1 minute 30 int feeders with 0/18 scores, -CS stealing supports, actively taking half my lane CS even after being told not to, -0/10 bot lanes when I'm top feeding a Sivir on Jinx (how does that even happen? Jinx 100% Counters Sivir, and the Jinx had a Nami! - who ended the game with 4200 heals in 32 minutes) -I had a game where my team actually had a 39/17 lead - except my adc was staying in our base since level 6, occasionally walking to the edge of our base, flashing, and then walking back to the fountain https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2978009109/243999882?tab=overview (I looked and she actually has a history of being 7-8 levels behind her entire teams and 15 minute surrenders) -Quinn using her R + Mobis to int feed to a Zed -Vlad inting to Urgot -Shojin Jax 1v5ing a team on perma dodge after top fed.

I went from being 48 wins 22 losses to being something like 60 wins 39 losses.

GripaAviara1 votes

Neah, you just hit the win % threshold and now you are on the "matchmaking bad side". When you reach 48%, things will turn 180* . To say ranked matchmaking isn't taking account of this is silly at this point

BlackEyesBlue1 votes

Ok I just need to check one thing.

You know relic shield exists right? I recently had an ADC I was supporting explode on me b/c they didn't know how relic shield worked. :P

Outdating1 votes

Just delete the game I have been losing from gold 1 to3 just because of trolls . The lol ranking system is useless and unbalanced I was playing in like 15 games that bronze/ silver vs plat. So it’s impossible to win just delete the game and come join apex legend riot giving up on us and only know to make more profit from you why would you stay?

shr00mking1 votes

riot plz for all that is holy, improve the banning system. had 2 games in a row fall apart because of trolls. i don't have a lot of time to play so when i do its a huge deal to get people who are just trying to throw the game. trolls should be rare in ranked not common, not back to back but almost never

Turn On1 votes

Riot would rather cater to hurt feelings than people that wastes EVERYONE'S TIME. No one wants to sit there for 40 minutes on a already losing condition.

Not to mention all the constant propaganda spread around by early adopters here's gold and platinum handed to you every season. Oh you lost 2/8 placements here's gold because you were gold a century ago.

Or the lie that if you are the constant variable that always does good then you will climb dog shit lie.

It's not even a coin flip anymore. Three times I've gone from silver 2 to silver 3. Every time I get to silver 2 I'm instantly bombarded with multiple feeders and trolls. What a fucking coincidence. You would think things would even out after the third time. NOPE. Check op.gg notice that the enemy team has NO feeders. Has no trolls. Has no afks. Ranked is a complete fallacy.

Aruchard1 votes

TO be honest i don't play all the time and I troll for fun nothing makes me happier then wasting a an hour of someones life. I made a post about how to do this without being banned but they deleted it. LETS FACE THE FACTS TROLLING IS ALOT MORE FUN THAN STR8 PLAYING. TROLLS UNITE!!!

Knwldge Is Power1 votes

I agree strongly! Been around since S1 or S2 and trolls never seemed to be an issue worth mentioning. I'm in Bronze II and every 3rd game, usually the support says "I'm inting", or "I will lose us this game". Then they proceed to ban my champ declaration.

As a result, I've stopped playing ranked.

Troll Tactics:

  • Stating they will intentionally feed, or simply do so without warning
  • Purposefully banning your champion declaration
  • Yuumi following jungle (in order to grief ally marksman and reduce jungler XP).

Solutions:

  1. Temp ban players who use keywords "I am inting" "I am going to feed" etc.
  2. Ban from ranked immediately after a number of reports.
  3. BAN IP address from ranked if feasible.

Side note1: Trolls don't seem to be as common in Normals. Maybe inting in Normals is not rebellious enough for these types.

Side note2: Players may be sour about being autofilled support. Could add to the reason why griefers are often in the support role.

Illabethe1 votes

Here's a couple questions: What do you consider qualifying as "Giving up?" Have you ever considered someone may not be working with you because You are making the wrong plays?

Both are very tough questions to answer in a finite way.

I'm generally in agreement about trolls. But, I also think there are a lot of actual trolling activities you aren't labeling, and a lot of nontroll behaviors you ARE mentioning. It makes the post egotistical.

Furthermore, have you ever considered that people just often play bad BECAUSE they have work/families? I explicitly play my smurf after 12 hour work shifts, which I pull 4-5 days a week, and in between I have a mother in law with a rare capillary cancer around her Brain, slowly infesting her skull, who has taken to visiting and having sexually dirty conversations in front of my 4 year old, and urging us to come drive her to her radiation therapy, run turn lanes/red lights to chase her husband's truck, when we live 2 hours away from her. (I know you didn't need all the info; but that's a pretty good example of how "life" gets in the way of League).

I've recently had some games where I DO start out 0/5. Sucks. I hate it. But I'm a diamond player when I'm allowed to Junkie.

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