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Is there a champion design reason Ashe doesn't have an AP ratio on her W?

nınth··1 votes·1,803 views

Talking about it over on /r/AsheMains and it really makes me wonder. I feel like it'd be a super solid boost to AP Ashe/Support Ashe, even if the ratio wasn't crazy. I realize she's an AD champion traditionally, but she wouldn't be the first traditionally AD champion with some AP ratios (she's already got one on her ult) or even the first one with a functional AP build.

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Crispy0Snake1 votes

Her W is used to apply her passive so that your basic attacks are then empowered (based on AD, crit chance and IE)

I get that in lane it's used for poke, and you can get frostfang stacks with it if that's what you're trying to do, but the purpose of her W loses some of it's identity if you give it an AP ratio

Plus it doesn't fit her theme, her W is a very physical thing, a Volley of arrows

Enchanted Crystal Arrow will always be magical, magical=AP ratio

I wrote an AP Ashe (bot lane) guide a long time ago, back before runes reforged, Liandry's had Pen, Wits End had Pen, Guinsoos was totally different but

The guide is here: https://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/the-only-ap-ashe-build-513453

She's not a very useful support, has no CC until 6, and when you hit 6, your ult is very underwhelming in lane. Maybe it can create a successful gank, but often enemy support ultimates will provide far more than your ultimate at that time

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I'd probably aim to get that^ as AP Ashe now, with fleet footwork probably

nınth1 votes

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Her W is used to apply her passive so that your basic attacks are then empowered (based on AD, crit chance and IE)

I get that in lane it's used for poke, and you can get frostfang stacks with it if that's what you're trying to do, but the purpose of her W loses some of it's identity if you give it an AP ratio

Plus it doesn't fit her theme, her W is a very physical thing, a Volley of arrows

Enchanted Crystal Arrow will always be magical, magical=AP ratio

I wrote an AP Ashe (bot lane) guide a long time ago, back before runes reforged, Liandry's had Pen, Wits End had Pen, Guinsoos was totally different but

The guide is here: https://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/the-only-ap-ashe-build-513453

She's not a very useful support, has no CC until 6, and when you hit 6, your ult is very underwhelming in lane. Maybe it can create a successful gank, but often enemy support ultimates will provide far more than your ultimate at that time

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I'd probably aim to get that^ as AP Ashe now, with fleet footwork probably

I don't think the naming scheme, or even the thematic of the ability, dictates what ratios the abilities receive -- see Tryndamere's Spinning Slash, which is definitively not magical or elemental, having a 100% AP ratio. I also don't think it's incredibly honest to pretend that Ashe's Volley is entirely physical, since she fires ice arrows produced by Avarosa's bow, and her ultimate is just a larger version of that.

It definitely doesn't rob the ability of it's "identity" which I think is a bit of a cop-out, plenty of physical abilities or non-magical abilities have AP ratios without it being considered strange. Malphite just had an AP ratio added to his W and that ain't ruinin' what Malphite is.

I'm personally envisioning this change for Ardent support Ashe more than bot-lane-APC-but-autoattacking-anyway-Ashe, and secondarily a flat AP Mid Ashe -- but I'd love to give your build a try too if the opportunity ever arises.

All-in-all though, I don't think there's a good reason her W doesn't have an AP ratio. Hoping a champ designer can tell me to see if there's something I've overlooked.

kaironen2 votes

I'd love some good ap ratio on her W. I like doing ap ashe sometimes in normals and this would be great! Also good for aram.

Chuuniby0u1 votes

O played ap ashe support so much and this build is a joke for me, its hybrid, not ap ashe (shitty build for me btw)

Crispy0Snake1 votes

That build was for ADC AP Ashe, and was really the only viable path because it gave lifesteal and lots of on hit effects

If you play AP support Ashe I think the build's got to be PTA, Presence of Mind, Legend: Bloodline, CDG, then cheap shot+ultimate hunter

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Definitely PTA+Liandry's for that multiplicative damage bonus

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