How many reworks until Riot realizes Ryze's mana scaling is breaking him?
My money is on a few thousand reworks.
My money is on a few thousand reworks.
From all the things breaking ryze, i don't feel like manascaleing is one of them...
Math time!
Ryze's abilities use only his BONUS mana for their extra damage. Let's assume he's got 4000 and 5000 mana. At level 18, his base mana is 1150. So this means ONLY 2850 bonus mana will apply to his abilities at a total of 4000 mana and 3850 bonus mana will apply to his abilities at a total of 5000 mana.
Q: 3% Bonus Mana - He gains 85.5 exta damage at 4K total mana, and 115.5 damage at 5K mana. W: 4% Bonus Mana - He gains 114 extra damage at 4K total mana, and 154 damage at 5K mana. E: 2% Bonus Mana - He gains 57 extra damage at 4K total mana, and 77 damage at 5K mana.
So do tell me again how his mana scaling is breaking him? The extra damage he gets from mana scaling is bottom of the barrel. The bulk of his scaling comes from his actual AP scaling, not his mana scaling.
Edit: Math was wrong, went too many decimals over. Editing for correctness.
its not really the mana scaling so much as the point and click snare. if ryze didn't have that point and click snare riot could easily buff even his mana scaling and the rest of his kit several times over. its always been his point and click snare. having instant reliable cc is incredibly strong and this is also one reason why lissandra has been a viable pro play champ for so long. same for fiddlesticks. point and click cc is incredibly powerful.(perhaps one of the strongest things in this game)
Its not, though. The machine gun famtasy is why he was forever a problem.
This is a temporary fix until Riot can give him an actual solo Queue ult. Said it 30 times now but needs to get a giant mana meteor that scales off of like 100 / 225 / 350(+20/25/30% max mana) (no AP scaling) Seems low damage but the size of the AoE makes it nigh undodgable and it hits a lot of targets in teamfights.
OP ryze will always be considered cancerous as long as he keeps his point and click snare. think about it. that point and click snare allows ryze to easily land multiple q's no matter which previous iteration or rework. and that point and click snare was always and still is removing any real way of fighting back ryzes.(its not the shield its not his mana scaling;trust me he had even stronger mana scaling in the past and that was NOT the issue) its always been his point and click snare. heck even that version of ryze with that super saiyan 0 cd passive wouldn't have been so problematic if he didn't have point and click snare at that time. infact its always been his snare. anyone who says otherwise is lying. even ryze back when he was building pure mana items and had spellvamp on r it was the point and click snare that carried him. its ALWAYs been his point and click snare. so as long as ryze keeps his ranged instant point and click snare he'll either be a broken champ or useless. there's no inbetween.
im not sure but giving instant ranged reliable hard cc to hyper carry mage/dps mage that spams abilities was never a good idea. it only works for Cassiopeia since its her ultimate.(and her entire kit is balanced around it) while for ryze having it on a basic ability is why he's always been so strong. imagine if we lived in a world where every 9-15 seconds cassiopeia could use her ultimate on a single target instantly with no skillshots attached every single time. she'd basically be in ryze's position. im not sure how hard it is to understand for you OP. but until riot removes ryze's w he will always be near impossible to balance. instant ranged hard cc is one of the strongest things in this game. it should be incredibly rare and only exist on supportive champions never on pure damage dealers. look at lissandra she pays a huge price for her w;and r in the terms of ap ratios and damage/cds ; look at malzahar pre-rework he had to be incredibly clunky and bug riddled and whenever he was even remotely viable he payed the price with repeated nerfs;and right after his rework til now riot has been nerfing his damage output to compensate for the power of his ult. now ryze doesn't pay this cost as much he should BE.(infact he's always had this innate problem of not paying the price for it) since his GIMMICK of low cd spam hypercarry can't co-exist with instant 0 skill ranged hard cc. and due to this he'll stay in this state of tethering on the edges of being broken fundamentally. look i like ryze but as long as that w stays he will never be balanced.
I believe him being able to build defensive items (
without his damage falling off is a bit aids.