Cho+Stoneplate one-shots are actually rare and incredibly situational.

Arsenic Sulfur·7/30/2017, 8:22:31 PM·6 votes·628 views

Getting something out of the way here, my definition of one-shot is 1 instance of damage bringing a champion from 100% health to 0%. Examples include full AD Darius W crit, old Nasus' Q crits, and full AP Pantheon dead-center ult.

Using that definition, one-shots are very rare in League and usually only in full damage builds.

So, Cho'gath. The big monster thing itself can and always has been able to one-shot via the full AP build as the scaling was just good enough to reach 1.2k true damage while a Luden's proc would deal about 200. What is new is the fact that the other builds can achieve this one-shot.

For the sake of easier calculations and for a more common scenario, I'm ignoring HP runes and cinderhulk as Cho'gath is primarily a top laner. The winrate in the jungle is caused by the mains.

In order for Cho to get the one-shot in the tank build as that is one with the most health, he'll need to reach 6.5k HP so that stoneplate puts him over 13k. Cho'gath reaches 2k health at level 18 and enter late game with atleast 10 stacks on the average game, so 1.6k health+base=3.6k. He needs stoneplate it even accomplish this and I doubt one would forgo boots, so 2 item slots don't go to health. Cho starts RoA as it solves a lot of his problems, so that's 500 health and 50 more damage on ult due to AP scaling. 4.1K. This IS Cho'gath so getting close to enemies is problematic thus he'll be getting a RG. 4.4k. He's gonna get Warmogs for the major health boost. 5.2k and one item slot left. Yeah Cho isn't reaching the threshold unless he either: A) Gets like 3 more stacks B) Sacrifices boots to get an item that provides 500 health and gets another Warmogs or a Frozen Mallet C) Gets HP runes so that he can get a Deadman's Plate instead of something that provides 500 health. And he also needs to be near 3 enemies for the doubled health and if he really wants the juicy one-shot he can't get Protobelt as that'd hurt the enemy preventing a true one-shot. AND THIS IS LATE-GAME! You know, the thing that supposedly rarely happens? And is also Cho'gath strongest point in the game due to his nature as a void champion?

For this to happen outside of late-game Cho needs to get really ahead and by then you're donezo. And I mean 17 stacks at 27 minutes ahead.

"B-but what about the burst that out-damages assassins???" Bitch Cho'gath has done that for almost his entire existence in every build because his base damage is off the charts. 750 base on ult at level 16. The only reason you'd be complaining about it now is that he's actually popular rn.

10 Comments

C9 Scott Free 7/30/2017, 8:44:03 PM1 votes

I like the literal usage of one shot its truly refreshing. And I like that you acknowledge cho numbers have been busted forever. I've always hated the champ for that reason.

JavelinJoe7/30/2017, 9:18:51 PM1 votes

I think the issue is not that he can kill you 100% health with just his ult. It is that he can kill you with maybe 80% of your max health left with a point and click ability which can not be itemized against since it deals true damage, while also being incredibly tanky (sometimes having 0 damage items even). He also does not need to start RoA if it is Jungle Cho. the Cinderhulk enchantment gives 325 health and a huge +20% bonus health increase overall (which I believe applies on each of his stacks as well).

The other issue is that he is hard to get away from. Q is a knock up and a slow, E is a slow, W is a silence (prevents mobility spells and abilities), and his ult increases his size and attack range each stack. Chilling smite is also a slow. Same with RG.

Floupi7/31/2017, 12:08:13 AM1 votes

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commit an hero7/31/2017, 1:00:40 AM1 votes

Cho'Gath is being played Jungle more than he is being played top. You blantaly ignored this fact so you could pull a strawman. You're ignoring entirely what makes him strong in the jungle. He can't get harassed out, cinderhulk giving 20% bonus HP and cheap HP items

hoganftw7/31/2017, 1:04:49 AM1 votes

Why didn't you just kite the cho, bro???

Darkdemon6537/31/2017, 4:24:07 PM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arsenic Sulfur,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fbdevdA6,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-07-30T20:22:31.710+0000) Examples include full AD Darius W crit, old Nasus' Q crits

Darius' W does not crit. Nasus' Q has never crit.

As for Cho'Gath, regardless of whether or not Feast is literally one-shotting someone (and you're right in saying that it usually isn't) doesn't change the fact that Cho'Gath is very OP.