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Why are juggernauts a thing

MetaGeek·2/27/2020, 12:23:55 AM·1 votes·8,251 views

ok can someone please tell me how characters that get to just not die and one shot things are FUKING FAIR??? like adc and assassin and burst mage have high damage but are squishy, even yi and yas are squishy just fast so its hard to pin them down but the comes along Malphite who gets to build burst and still be tanky enough that they just get to be an assasin with a shield not that it matters because one ult will nuke a whole team and garen who gets to be the most brain dead champ in the game, redic damge between his spin and ult and A SILENCE, plus tank stats and healing and hes fast af with his q, and Mundo with his healing an percentage damage meaning he can build tank and still do damage even grievous wounds doesn't stop these guys

I get it there has to be some low skill champs for new comers but when they just get to get fed and be unstoppable. The current meta is just bad with no good balancing when one person feeds its gg... and that makes the team game aspect pointless

ive had so many games where i do ok in my lane just for ONE fed player on the other team to start getting penta kills like its going out of style

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IMelchorI2/27/2020, 12:29:11 AM32 votes

like adc

they have range, often mobility and utility

and assassin and burst mage have high damage but are squishy

same

even yi and yas are squishy just fast

yes fast. also deals a lot more damage. a yi with enough items can burst through you if you are a tank, juggernaut or not.

juggernauts have no mobility or utility. instead of squishy their weakness is to be easy to kite. can you kite a yi? or a talon? or a vayne? no.

Minimac20002/27/2020, 12:36:53 AM15 votes

Malphite is a tank not a juggernaut. He can also be played as a full body burst mage projectile, but that's been nerfed a fair amount so it is hardly a problem
Garen is a juggernaut, and so is sett. They have numbers that seem to you like they are overtuned because they have 0 mobility, almost 0 range, and as such are highly unreliable at applying damage. These sorts of champs need survivability to ever do anything at all in a game where other champs can just poke them from range and dash away from them with ease. So yes, juggernauts do mostly do absurd damage for how tanky they are. However, it is all the fault of the person who gets hit. If you messed up and got caught as an adc or mage by something like darius away from your team and then on top of that you fail to kite him properly which you certainly can (unlike zed) unless he has a yuumi, then you deserve to die as surely as if you got caught by a zed or rengar. Tldr: yes, sett is op, that's why he is getting nerfed, no jusggernauts are not op you just need better kiting mechanics

Infernape2/27/2020, 12:54:06 AM13 votes

The only bruiser that could beat juggernauts, being Aatrox has been nerfed into oblivion. While the rest of the top picks are Ornn + other juggernauts.

Fun fact: Aatrox is classed as a juggernaut.

Pumpedhero2/27/2020, 12:51:00 AM9 votes

hard low elo talk, and " get to just not die and one shot things are FUKING FAIR???" doesnt exist. malphite goes tank and utility or full ap burst nuke.

LanceTheJungler2/27/2020, 12:52:38 AM7 votes

They are not fair. Objectively they are not. You could argue they are balanced, but balanced =/= fair. Juggernauts as a champion class completely ruin top lane. They force top lane into a counter pick meta with Juggernaut beats Bruiser, Bruiser beats Ranged, Ranged beats Juggernaut. You can't first pick bruisers because then they pick a juggernaut and just destroy you, can't first pick a juggernaut because then you get counter picked by ranged, you can't first pick ranged because then they pick a mobile bruiser. In an ideal scenario top lane should be a bruiser vs bruiser skill matchup, with all top lane champions having the in kit tools to beat ranged. But juggernauts win every melee matchup and lose ranged matchups, completely fucking the lane.

Look at the best and most played top laners right now.

https://imgur.com/a/W48VXgK

The only bruiser that could beat juggernauts, being Aatrox has been nerfed into oblivion. While the rest of the top picks are Ornn + other juggernauts.

Juggernauts as a class just need to be completely removed from the game or forced out of top lane into the jungle. The class only exists to let bad players beat better players due to champion pick.

Yes I understand that juggernauts do have weaknesses, being that they can be easily kited, and don't teamfight well. And thats exactly why they ruin top lane. They make you useless while they themselves are also useless.

macspam2/27/2020, 4:10:22 AM6 votes

I totally agree. I don't think juggernauts should be able to kill squishies in 1 rotation when it takes 4-5 rotations to kill the juggernaut

PaffWasTaken2/27/2020, 3:29:28 PM4 votes

Juggernauts are litterally tanks who trade utility and (in most cases) range and/or some mobility for damage.

The whole concept of juggernauts is combining high damage and high resistances while not having anything else. They are the most easily juked class in the whole and, to be honest, they barely pose any threat unless they are overstated since the game is oversaturated in mobility, range and tank melting damage, three options who directly counter juggernauts. You are basically complaining about a champion class who's whole counterplay is simply to not stand still in front of them hoping to burst them.

I find it disgusting how much people here forgot what to do when they can't simply one-combo one-shot anything so they complain about anything that can take it and actually hit back. "Oh no, I stood still in front of Darius watching me auto me while I used a single ability because I thought I could oneshot him, and now he killed me! Where's the counterplay?!?!?". Funniest part is people complaining about Sett's shield because of its size, still not understanding several weeks after release that the shield simply fades away in mere seconds (hell, the THIRD of his shield is already faded out after he simply CASTS any other ability). Oh and this ability deals so much true damage oh my god, if only you could side-step it hmmm...

Chainman32/27/2020, 2:20:20 PM3 votes

ok can someone please tell me how characters that get to just not die and one shot things are FUKING FAIR???

False premise the entire argument falls apart.

Truly Prideful2/27/2020, 5:15:30 PM3 votes

I actually don't mind juggernauts, at least you can kite them out and they don't dash 1000 units across the screen and kill you in .5 seconds.

RavenMagus2/27/2020, 3:58:13 PM2 votes

Juggernauts are bullshit, "tanky dude who also does a lot of damage" is bullshit in every game and I wish those designs didn't exist

LegendWizard082/27/2020, 4:33:54 PM1 votes

First Malphite and Mundo aren't juggernauts, they are tanks. Every champ can carry when ahead. Second solo q was always about who wins lane and who can carry with his lead or who outscales. If u go even it was never good in solo q.