Manaless mage CDR choices.

Kira Dusk Edge·2/14/2016, 5:13:11 PM·1 votes·1,346 views

Hello message boards. Today I decided to go back to playing one of my favorite champions. Kennen I noticed overall that their is a lack of cdr options that are not either super specialized or have mana regen on them. I hate cdr itemization/runes in general right now for mages and I know the mage update is coming up. I would like a red to come and maybe give some info about if they are touching mage cdr itemization with the update. I'm just gonna put down a few thoughts I have on the current cdr items in relation to kennen.

item 3100 Very specialized towards empowered auto mages. Kennen in theory could buy it and have synergy with his w... But again like the issue with all cdr items... Mana. Also has to be combined with cdr boots.

item 3165 Mana regen. Nuff said.

item 3152 PLEASE make this item the manaless counterpart to morellonomicon. Find a way to balance it with 20% cdr. This would help manaless mages so much. Spellvamp is either an abusive stat or incredibly weak so this item would be much better served as a 20% cdr item for manaless mages.

item 3115 No. Kennen does not want attack speed or the passive effect. This item is so specialized it's only gotten on very few mages. Honestly a fine item with a good niche. Probably would buy it on kennen anyways as the other options are just as bad and at least the attack speed is better than mana. (also more expensive though)

item 3060 Honestly probably one of the strongest options for Kennen. Gives him survivability and ap/cdr. Have to couple it with cdr boots taking a chunk of your damage away but still one of the better items.

item 3174 Good if you need the stats. Terrible on Kennen. Moving on.

item 3050 This item could actually work for Kennen mid. If you link with your adc and go in when the passive procs you could get a lot of work done. It gives you some nice defensive stats... But it has mana.... Oh well moving on. (also needs cdr boots to finish the 20%)

item 3222 Support item. Doesn't give kennen anything other then cdr/mr and an active. Good support item. Terrible for kennen.

item 3092 Oh this item looks goo.... Mana.

item 3056 item 3190 item 3110 item 3065 item 3025 In a good place for tanks. Not useful for mages or kennen. Maybe some situational items you can get here for Kennen but most of it has mana on it anyways. Yeah I know right? Even the tank cdr items are against kennen.

item 3078 item 3508 item 3071 item 3812 item 3142 Obviously not going to be bought on AP kennen. But ad cdr is in a good spot right now.

I could list the rest of the support cdr itemization but it's not worth mentioning. Your not going to buy any of them unless your support Kennen and even then they have some mana stat on them making Kennen a sad panda.

I do have another solution to the mana thing. What if you made these items convert that mana regen/max mana in to a energy regen/max energy function. Basically give energy champs greatly reduced numbers. I understand this would require lots of tweaking but could also help with the cdr issue. Normally I will just buy morello and accept that I'm wasting a stat.

(On a side note most high level players are either doing cdr boots/20% item/10% runes. 15% runes/10% item/10% item and ignoring the 5% missing. Or 10% item/10% item/cdr boots/10% runes. The major thing is when cdr itemization sucks all mids opt to get cdr boots over pen boots and I wish that it was a strategic decision to pick one over the other instead of just one always being the right choice. Also most of these choices still suck for Kennen...)

Thanks for listening! Sorry if my mana points make me seem like a dick. I just find it odd most cdr items have mana on them.

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P.S.2. This is not a post about complaining and i'm sorry if it comes off that way. I still play kennen fine and can deal with the itemization I'm just curious if there will be changes that will change how we itemize cdr on mages.

24 Comments

Kyrrion2/14/2016, 5:17:23 PM3 votes

I'm not gonna cry about a little bit of "wasted" mana or mana regen on an AP item. Neither of those are combat stats. As far as offensive potency goes, they're just as effective on Kennen as they are on anyone else.

And no, we don't need Kennen abusing WotA again.

GEMS GEMS GEMS2/14/2016, 5:27:09 PM2 votes

If you're really passionate about getting a 20% CDR item on an AP champion item 3165 is king. Forget about the mana regen. You're getting 80 AP, 20% CDR and grievous wounds for only 2.4k...

You don't even need to finish building it all at once either. You can buy the item 3108 and item 3114 for it to get to 20% CDR earlier. Stacked with item 3158, some CDR runes and CDR mastery, you'll already be 45% CDR by mid game.

WoonStruck2/14/2016, 5:17:12 PM1 votes

Manaless mage CDR choices are low for a reason. So they aren't manaless spam-bots on a worse degree than they already are. Now they just need to do the same for AD CDR itemization, including ADCs. ADCs and assassins should have to invest in some non-offensive stats like mana if they want CDR, just like everyone else. Essence Reaver really is a bullshit item.

You just have to buckle down and make a 10-30% CDR page like everyone else.

Manaless champions either need energy or something like Rumble's mechanic, where CDR has some drawbacks as well, even if it doesn't show much in lane.

Duke Anax2/14/2016, 5:59:28 PM1 votes

Why not item 3115? I haven't played Kennen, but it seems at full cdr you wouldn't have enough energy to not AA in between. It's also really cost efficient.

Also why not item 3152 even without the heal it's cost efficient and it does have some effect on Kennen.

ALso item 3165 is very cost efficient, so you won't be wasting much on the mana regen.

YuGiHo2/14/2016, 8:32:23 PM1 votes

yes give item 3152 20 cdr please. whats the worst that could happen Vladimir =)