For a support that relies heavily on his auto attack you'd think he'd at least have a comparable range to the other supports. Am I over thinking this. He has 500 range and most the other ranged supports have 550 with the exception of karma who is at 525. Some supports who are meant to walk into the enemy team like Morgan's have a lower attack range but that is understandable.
Skia Asteri5 votes
has 475 auto range.
Lumus Avatar2 votesYou pay for a loaded kit. he has short range to compensate his extreme utility
Thefriendlyorc1 votesLoaded kit? He only has 2 damage moves. Thats hardly 'loaded'.
Lumus Avatar1 votesSlow into stun, multi target Q skillshot
Healing drops that can be left in safe places for pickup during retreat and gain value over time
One-way portal to enter and leave combat (enemies can follow, oh no~) no restriction on tunnel length - goes from one end of a wall to the other regardless of thickness
multi-target Zhonya's hourglass effect to protect teammates or stop an enemy's advance. Can shut down a turret and cause aggro switch. Can protect a jungle mob or dragon from the enemy's jungler/smite.
It's very much loaded with utility. damage his little bearing on anything with this guy. Also, his passive give him a damage burst on an auto-attack.
Thefriendlyorc1 votesEach of his abilities typically has 1, maybe 2 uses. His ult is the only loaded part of his kit. His Q is a pretty standard, low range stun thats dependent on a variable and the damage on it is SHIT. barely crawling over 200 at rank 5.
His heals are pretty on par with other healers in the bottom lane, except he has to wait more time and can never 'clutch' heal. Sure he can set them up at the tower which is nice, but he will never be able to completely revert aggressive burst the way shields or straight heals do.
His magical journey has about one use, hardly overloaded, long cool down, even enemies can follow, supportive initiation tool.
His ult has many uses, its clearly the focus of the designers when they made him. But it will take skill to use properly, You use it on an enemy team at the wrong time and you may waste cool downs of your allies, use it on an improperly positioned ally and guarantee their death.
His passive, it scales up in damage the more you collect chimes, which I suspect are the frequency of Thresh souls in number, except they're not spawned in a max radius around you. They spawn ALL over the map, so a certain percentage of them you are unlikely to get. Even still, the damage only increases by 20 every 3 stages or so, thats a lot of collecting them and him taking risks to get them. For 20 or so damage. The slow attached to it increases as well, to a max of 80% for 1 second. A pretty standard cc for a support type in late game.
I cant accept that you think he has an overloaded kit, when many of his abilities typically have 1 or two functions.
Lumus Avatar1 votesI never once said his kit was overloaded. I said it was loaded with utility. His focus is utility, not damage. That was the point I was making.
You take me for someone who doesn't like this champ. On the contrary, I am excited to see what he can do with this kit.
Thefriendlyorc1 votesSplit hairs more why dont you.
Cindikle1 votesWhat a loaded support kit? Look at Sona.
Everything but her ulti does multiple times.
His kit is not loaded.
I'm not saying Sona's kit is actually loaded though. It is slightly but each part rewards a different play style. Bard's kit IMO is quite balanced. If anything the fact he can roam will be what decides if he's OP.
Raptamei1 votesWhat a loaded support kit? Look at Sona.
How about this loaded kit:
Passive: damage reduction to up to 5 enemies! Q: tons of damage, spammable, super long range point and click! W: shield AND slow! E: aoe damage AND armor shred! R: gap closer AND pull AND armor/MR buff AND it's point and click!
Cindikle1 votesNo wonder he's got such a bad win rate. You'd have to be a master of all games to handle that loaded kit.
Lumus Avatar1 votesI'm not trying to say he's OP. I don't think he is.
I'm just saying - in response to your statement that he has lower attack range - that he has a lot of utility in his kit so to balance that utility, he has less range for aggression. I think his kit looks pretty good.
I am curious about the chimes passive. I want to explore the interactions there. I have a few questions.
IcyPepper2 votes
lolwut?
Anomander1 votesActually 500 ain't that bad. it is longer then thresh morgana and quite a few others.
MrBuffington1 votesI kind of expected him to be on par with Lulu though (550 range), especially since he doesn't really have a huge amount of MS (330).
RNJefe1 votesLike I said most the champs who have shorter range are expected to be in the middle of a fight. Morgana, thresh, Janna even. Even karma with 525 range has her mantra w and e to keep her safe. Bards heal does nothing at an instant and most of his damage comes from his auto attacks. His e isn't for a team fight but as an initiation or possibly escape and his ult is far ranged as well as his q. Just seems to clash with his kit especially since his passive is all about harassing enemies with his auto attacks but to do that you always put yourself at a disadvantage getting in closer than anyone else's range. Since Morgana thresh and Janna all have very long range hard cc.
Pika3101 votesInb4 Sona's gets nerfed to 400.
Truly Prideful1 votes has 450 range and does fine, same with who has slightly more at 475.
