[OPINION] Aatrox is Ruined

Cardiac Arhaast·Jun 13, 2018·13 votes·5,118 views

Feel free to disagree with anything in the following paragraphs. I'm open to discussion! Also, if this is going to sway your thoughts on my opinions/complaints, I'm Gold 5. Not that it matters. I mean, a person that's terrible at cooking still has taste buds, so me being not 'high elo' is mostly irrelevant.

Old Aatrox is awesome. I'm pretty sure any Aatrox main will agree with me. But, hearing that one of my (our?) favorite champions is going to be reworked is definitely exciting. Fast forward, and the abilities are out. And my first thoughts? Aatrox is ruined.

Why? Here's my list:

Combat master puts sword away in the middle of an active battlefield
Riven Q! Except the first 2 uses are abilities on other champions!
Can no longer 1v2 pre-6 because he has no attack speed steroids now. This 1v2 ability was why he was so unique
They removed that cool "damage or healing" theme on his W and Kayn's forms (which btw I thought was really cool)
His revive animation is very awkward. The animation is slower than the movement speed, most of the time. Also, the revive is extremely underwhelming.
Q animations show Aatrox taking time to lift his sword up to make the swipe, but his E allows him a sudden lunge while holding the sword. His sword also visibly drags behind him while his P isn't active, similar to Tryndamere

Those are my main complaints. Sorry if I sound like a whiny bastard, but this is how I feel. Again, feel free to disagree or give me reasons why the new Aatrox is better than the old one. I would excitedly accept anything to change my opinion to a positive one, because this really made me sad.

(I'm still excited to play new Aatrox... but just... meh)

41 Comments

Wolf and GunJun 13, 20187 votes

Old Aatrox was hot garbage.

New Aatrox looks fun.

ÈpicwyvernJun 13, 20186 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wolf and Gun,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAtOaLwa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-13T20:46:44.894+0000)

Old Aatrox was hot garbage.

New Aatrox looks fun.

whoever says old aatrox was hot garbage is pretty delusional. even though hes one of the best toplaners/junglers and hes been doing really good since his mini-rework

Wolf and GunJun 13, 20185 votes

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whoever says old aatrox was hot garbage is pretty delusional. even know hes one of the best toplaners/junglers and hes been doing really good since his mini-rework

Let me try.

Whoever says old aatrox is one of the best toplaners/junglers is pretty delusional. Because if he -was- he wouldn't need a rework or even a 'mini-rework'. >.>

Just because he can be viable and some people play him, doesn't mean he's not garbage. I played old Urgot and liked him. I played old Yorick and liked him.

In the -eyes- of the many. They were garbage.

Same applies to Aatrox.

Sorry bro.

Lil Homie bustaJun 13, 20185 votes

Garbage? That's pretty relative. You think that he's garbage, i think he's one of the best champions in the league. Which one is right?

Next time, say "In my personal opnion, Aatrox is garbage" because when you say that he's garbage, you're trying to state a fact, which isn't affected by your personal feelings towards the subject. If you say that he's garbage, put solid arguments to hold your theory, otherwise you'll just look like one of those boards users that only know to throw words without any substance.

[{quoted}](name=Wolf and Gun,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAtOaLwa,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-13T21:11:55.041+0000) Whoever says old aatrox is one of the best toplaners/junglers is pretty delusional. Because if he -was- he wouldn't need a rework or even a 'mini-rework'. >.>

And that's where you're wrong: to assume that Riot always know when to completely rework a champion or just correct minor issues within his kit. They clearly don't (at least not always).

Wolf and GunJun 14, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lil Homie busta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAtOaLwa,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-13T21:44:03.792+0000)

Garbage? That's pretty relative. You think that he's garbage, i think he's one of the best champions in the league. Which one is right?

Next time, say "In my personal opnion, Aatrox is garbage" because when you say that he's garbage, you're trying to state a fact, which isn't affected by your personal feelings towards the subject. If you say that he's garbage, put solid arguments to hold your theory, otherwise you'll just look like one of those boards users that only know to throw words without any substance.

And that's where you're wrong: to assume that Riot always know when to completely rework a champion or just correct minor issues within his kit. They clearly don't (at least not always).

My subjective experience completely believes Aatrox is garbage.
I can't prove your not a construct of my mind, nor anything else.
Aatrox must be garbage since no one else exists, nor opinions really matter.
You or whatever you are like a garbage champ.
It's ok to like a garbage champ.
He is getting reworked since he was garbage.

Wolf and GunJun 14, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lil Homie busta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAtOaLwa,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-13T21:44:03.792+0000)

And that's where you're wrong: to assume that Riot always know when to completely rework a champion or just correct minor issues within his kit. They clearly don't (at least not always).

That's where you're wrong and you 'assume' to know what I personally 'assume'. You are not me. So stop it.

I think some re-works were justified and some re-works failed. I miss old Swain, Fiora, Urgot and probably old Irelia. (I kinda like the new Irelia, but not the best with her new kit.)

I don't miss old Aatrox. I want to play the new one.

I also think Nunu is garbage. I think he really needs a re-work.

ÈpicwyvernJun 13, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wolf and Gun,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAtOaLwa,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-13T21:11:55.041+0000)

Let me try.

Whoever says old aatrox is one of the best toplaners/junglers is pretty delusional. Because if he -was- he wouldn't need a rework or even a 'mini-rework'. >.>

Just because he can be viable and some people play him, doesn't mean he's not garbage. I played old Urgot and liked him. I played old Yorick and liked him.

In the -eyes- of the many. They were garbage.

Same applies to Aatrox.

Sorry bro.

you said garbage, which i took for stuff like viability and winrate.

ÈpicwyvernJun 13, 20184 votes

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you said garbage, which i took for stuff like viability and winrate.

btw he was not being played by "some" people and was not "borderline" viable. he was ranked s-tier in a mobalytics tier list video when conq and guinsoos came out.

AirKingNeoJun 13, 20182 votes

Whoever says old aatrox is one of the best toplaners/junglers is pretty delusional. Because if he -was- he wouldn't need a rework or even a 'mini-rework'. >.>

You're assuming what Riot thinks is automatically true.

Just because he can be viable and some people play him, doesn't mean he's not garbage. I played old Urgot and liked him. I played old Yorick and liked him.

Yorick is still a minion mancer. Aatrox isn't an auto attack diver.

Wolf and GunJun 14, 20181 votes

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You're assuming what Riot thinks is automatically true.

Yorick is still a minion mancer. Aatrox isn't an auto attack diver.

You're assuming what Riot and the player majority thinks is automatically untrue.

Yorick is a 'conditional' minion-mancer now.

Aatrox is still an auto attack diver.

AirKingNeoJun 14, 20181 votes

No, because then I wouldn't say that Irelia is broken.

At least he's still a minion mancer. Aatrox isn't an auto attack diver anymore. He doesn't get any attack speed and his only onhit is his passive and he doesn't have enough mobility to dive into fights.

Wolf and GunJun 14, 20181 votes

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No, because then I wouldn't say that Irelia is broken.

At least he's still a minion mancer. Aatrox isn't an auto attack diver anymore. He doesn't get any attack speed and his only onhit is his passive and he doesn't have enough mobility to dive into fights.

I also hate the Irelia re-work. And people do say she is broken. A lot of champs are broken. That will not deter others from playing them.

Yorick is no way a minion mancer like he once was. From three separate ghouls that had separate abilities, to one ghoul type that only does damage and has no abilities.

Your declaration of Yorick being a minion mancer is about as justified as my statement of Aatrox being an auto attack diver still.

It's Riot. Live with the change.

AirKingNeoJun 14, 20181 votes

But you think Yorick and you think a guy who commands minions. A condition makes sense, but he still does it.

Aatrox no longer auto attacks you and jumps on you. Now he's Riven 2.

Wolf and GunJun 14, 20181 votes

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But you think Yorick and you think a guy who commands minions. A condition makes sense, but he still does it.

Aatrox no longer auto attacks you and jumps on you. Now he's Riven 2.

Aatrox still autoattacks. Aatrox still dives on others. Now he has '3' dives.

AirKingNeoJun 14, 20181 votes

how does he have 3 dives when his only dash is his shitty E?

Wolf and GunJun 14, 20181 votes

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how does he have 3 dives when his only dash is his shitty E?

Knock up is not reduced by tenacity. New Aatrox has three 'q' uses w/ three knock ups. He also has two dashes he didn't have before and a pull with his 'w'. His ult now revives him if he dies, plus he can move around while respawning.

All of that makes him a far superior diver then old Aatrox. Lets also look at the fact that he is now manaless and resourceless. As his new abilities don't cost health and that his old 'w' passive which was lifesteal via autoattacks has been replaced by a mini deaths dance which heals off of all abilities and autos.

Old Aatrox could dive you once and that was it. New Aatrox can dive, dash, ult, pull, dive again - oh and dive again.

AirKingNeoJun 14, 20181 votes

how does new aatrox dive without mobility?

Wolf and GunJun 14, 20181 votes

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how does new aatrox dive without mobility?

Boots, Flash, W, Q, R, E, Q, Q; Movement speed items, the ability to right and left click w/ a mouse; your desired keystone like predator or glacial augment.

I'm sure you can start coming up w/ your own ideas and thinking up ways.

Old Aatrox had '1' Q. - That's it. His 'w' didn't have cc and only provided bonus damage or healing. His 'e' was a slow if you hit it. And his Ult gave him some attack speed and damage. --- Really he was pretty pedestrian. He would just 'q' onto a target and autoattack it to death and if he died... well thats ok because you would use your blood well and do it all over again.

At least this new Aatrox has abilities to use and can do things then, '1' Q.

Cardiac ArhaastJul 3, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wolf and Gun,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAtOaLwa,comment-id=0000000000000002000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-14T02:52:54.322+0000)

Boots, Flash, W, Q, R, E, Q, Q; Movement speed items, the ability to right and left click w/ a mouse; your desired keystone like predator or glacial augment.

I'm sure you can start coming up w/ your own ideas and thinking up ways.

Old Aatrox had '1' Q. - That's it. His 'w' didn't have cc and only provided bonus damage or healing. His 'e' was a slow if you hit it. And his Ult gave him some attack speed and damage. --- Really he was pretty pedestrian. He would just 'q' onto a target and autoattack it to death and if he died... well thats ok because you would use your blood well and do it all over again.

At least this new Aatrox has abilities to use and can do things then, '1' Q.

And here we are, new Aatrox is here. And he's hot garbage. Yes, he has W, and yes, he has E. Buuuuuuuuuut all champions can right and left click with a mouse you dont build frozen mallet anymore, because he's ability oriented you can walk out of his w his e is the smallest dash ever. most champions have flash (or a movement sum or basic spell in place, like ghost or shaco q) all champions have access to boots (Cassiopeia is special. but she gets ms anyways) since you cant move during your q, he's clunky if someone is running from you in melee range and you want to knock them up, you have to gap close.... backwards did you just fuking suggest predator aatrox (glacial augment was pretty good on old aatrox, but its really bad on new) old aatrox: q is fast, long range, and has an actually useful knockup. aoe slow, with actual

Cardiac ArhaastJul 3, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wolf and Gun,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAtOaLwa,comment-id=00000000000000020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-14T02:40:02.385+0000)

Knock up is not reduced by tenacity. New Aatrox has three 'q' uses w/ three knock ups. He also has two dashes he didn't have before and a pull with his 'w'. His ult now revives him if he dies, plus he can move around while respawning.

All of that makes him a far superior diver then old Aatrox. Lets also look at the fact that he is now manaless and resourceless. As his new abilities don't cost health and that his old 'w' passive which was lifesteal via autoattacks has been replaced by a mini deaths dance which heals off of all abilities and autos.

Old Aatrox could dive you once and that was it. New Aatrox can dive, dash, ult, pull, dive again - oh and dive again.

the knockup is less than half a second. i dont think it matters whether they have tenacity or not. and, the knockup is meant to disorient and interrupt champions, not cc them. thats the point of the W, which i will explain to be borderline useless he's also a melee champion, which makes his q knockup almost useless because you have to reposition backwards to hit it, and then you're out of melee range. you could stack up your q beforehand, but then you've just lost your main damage ability. wtf aatrox was manaless to begin with. new aatrox still has bloodwell yea he has a mini deaths dance... be a shame if the problem i presented before makes it useless because the normal part of your q deals a shameful amount of damage

3 dives.. huh? to dive, you need a fast, medium-long range gap closer. thats why champs like zac, sej and reksai are so good at diving. aatrox had that before, on his q, but now he doesnt. sure, he has his r, but you can just poke him with something long range and then run away. again, his pull is basically useless, beacuse you can walk sideways. its like you believe that running straight away from danger is a valid strategy. old aatrox could ult too.. i dont see your point there

Alpha RogdfJun 15, 20181 votes

He doesn't have any dives anymore. I've been playing a lot of new aatrox and he is less than useful. he has no dmg either.

Cardiac ArhaastJul 3, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wolf and Gun,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAtOaLwa,comment-id=000000000000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-14T01:30:10.227+0000)

Aatrox still autoattacks. Aatrox still dives on others. Now he has '3' dives.

no, aatrox actually doesnt auto attack. he has the same spellweaver style as riven (q>auto>q>auto>q>auto), yes, that's auto attacking, but he meant auto attack based damage. (which is what i mean as well)

Cardiac ArhaastJul 6, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wolf and Gun,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAtOaLwa,comment-id=00000000000000020000,timestamp=2018-06-14T01:05:20.442+0000)

You're assuming what Riot and the player majority thinks is automatically untrue.

Yorick is a 'conditional' minion-mancer now.

Aatrox is still an auto attack diver.

No, he's saying that Riot and the majority of the player-base can make mistakes or be incorrect occasionally. We are humans, after all. Nowhere does he/she say that they are always wrong. There is a middle ground.

Lil Homie bustaJun 13, 20184 votes

Besides, you say that because you never truly devoted your self to the champion (Aatrox). You saw something flashier and just said "it's better".

Imagine if you was a Lux main, and than suddenly riot reworked her into a AP basic attack oriented marksman, instead of fixing her problems in high elos. I can assure you that you wouldn't find it very nice.

Wolf and GunJun 14, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lil Homie busta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAtOaLwa,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-06-13T21:52:06.177+0000)

Besides, you say that because you never truly devoted your self to the champion (Aatrox). You saw something flashier and just said "it's better".

Imagine if you was a Lux main, and than suddenly riot reworked her into a AP basic attack oriented marksman, instead of fixing her problems in high elos. I can assure you that you wouldn't find it very nice.

I've played the old Aatrox in a variety of settings. ARAM, SR, TT, Random Game Modes.

He felt weak and outdated
He was arguably one of the worst champs
He needed a rework --

Trust me, I understand what its like to play a champion and not like their rework. (Cough) Fiora (Cough).

AirKingNeoJun 14, 20181 votes

did you play aatrox after his passive rework?

did you realize how much kill potential you have with simply level 2 getting Q?

TheDeviceJun 14, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lil Homie busta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAtOaLwa,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-06-13T21:52:06.177+0000)

Besides, you say that because you never truly devoted your self to the champion (Aatrox). You saw something flashier and just said "it's better".

Imagine if you was a Lux main, and than suddenly riot reworked her into a AP basic attack oriented marksman, instead of fixing her problems in high elos. I can assure you that you wouldn't find it very nice.

Maybe you see something "flashier" and say its ruined?

BTW..... have you played the new Aatrox? Have you... "truly devoted yourself to the champion"? I mean how could you? He's not even been released yet.

Slave KnightJun 14, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wolf and Gun,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAtOaLwa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-13T20:46:44.894+0000)

Old Aatrox was hot garbage.

New Aatrox looks fun.

Tell that to this man http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=dontremakeaatrox Who literally climbed to RANK 8 CHALLENGER IN KOREA. Do you think he would have done it if the current Aatrox was 'boring'? It's fine to be hopeful for the new stuff, I'm hoping it's good too, but don't shit on a champion that many of us know far better than you do.

C9 Squeeky Jun 13, 20184 votes

After watching the trailer, I honestly thought he would have a cleave on his autos, at least after he ults, but nope.

HeyHeresTreJun 13, 20182 votes

The instant you compared Aatrox and Riven you lost all credibility in my eyes.

EDIT: You do bring up some good points but I hate that comparison. I'm sure when he goes live everyone will love him.

AirKingNeoJun 13, 20183 votes

Look at Riven's E and Aatrox's E icons.

Look at Riven's Q and Aatrox's Q icons.

"Not riven" btw

Handin Out NapsJun 13, 20182 votes

Ok now look at Yasuo's e and q icons. Wow guess they are all the same champ. Literally the only actual similarities are that they both swing their sword 3 times with q, they are completely different champs.

AirKingNeoJun 13, 20182 votes

Yasuo has 3 Q icons.

Cardiac ArhaastJul 3, 20181 votes

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The instant you compared Aatrox and Riven you lost all credibility in my eyes.

EDIT: You do bring up some good points but I hate that comparison. I'm sure when he goes live everyone will love him.

that first sentence is fair.

but here we are... aatrox is live... and what do we have?

hate. sooooooooo much hate heres my favorite opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8bjPDGBZGk pastes link posts looks at video thumbnail "wait wrong video"

HeyHeresTreJul 6, 20181 votes

NAH LISTEN I WAS FUCKING WRONG I CONCEDE DUDE THIS CHAMP IS ASS NOW I WANT THE OLD AATROX BACK U WERE RIGHT 100 PERCENT.

Cardiac ArhaastJul 6, 20181 votes

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NAH LISTEN I WAS FUCKING WRONG I CONCEDE DUDE THIS CHAMP IS ASS NOW I WANT THE OLD AATROX BACK U WERE RIGHT 100 PERCENT.

yeah. you gotta trust the people who main a champ to judge whether it was a good rework or not. they needed to get hashinshin to test it out, the top 5 aatrox players and other people who really knew old aatrox.

TheDeviceJul 6, 20181 votes

Yeah people do lose a lot (if not all) credibility when they claim Aatrox is just another Riven. They play nothing alike. Riven is far more mobile and has a lot more freedom to her kit. Just the feel of playing the champions are different. Aatrox actually has is own unique style of fighting that has its own learning curve.

Cardiac ArhaastJul 8, 20181 votes

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Yeah people do lose a lot (if not all) credibility when they claim Aatrox is just another Riven. They play nothing alike. Riven is far more mobile and has a lot more freedom to her kit. Just the feel of playing the champions are different. Aatrox actually has is own unique style of fighting that has its own learning curve.

I would like to note that I didn't claim Aatrox is another Riven. I pointed out that some of their abilities are quite similar. (Q + E) Aatrox is definitely much too clunky and mobility-lacking to be Riven 2.

NotSoGrimReaperJan 31, 20191 votes

Old Aatrox was an absolute top quality champ. i am pretty noobish when it comes to LoL but playing as Aatrox gave me some confidence in my abilities in the game. IF you could manage to get your play with him right, you could have literally WALKED through the enemies top lane. i still main Aatrox to thias day and while im not too happy with the rework, im glad it gives me a learning opportunity.