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What did Riot want Poppy to do in laning phase?

Anabiel·12/11/2015, 12:04:06 AM·2 votes·793 views

Possibly a dumb question, but of the 3 roles she can play during laning phase (unless you want to mid poppy for some reason) not one of them does she seem to excel in. In top, she's significantly weaker than the majority of other tops, she seems to play similarly to Darius but without the decent early burst or the pull that keeps enemies from running away. Jungling her clear is fine, but her gank potential is incredibly poor considering how finicky her E is, and it being her only hard CC. Her best role seems to be support due to her ridiculous counter engage and disengage, but without poke, no reliable hard CC, and no sustain, you're usually stuck playing passive.

Is there something i'm missing, or does she still have the problem of pre-rework where there's no definitive role for her? First and foremost the rework was obviously intended to fix how hard she could burst while taking no damage from nearly everything, and they succeeded in doing that, but they haven't seemed to fix any of her other issues.

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MasterSomething12/11/2015, 12:14:27 AM1 votes

She is weak early, unless you are going damage where you early is above average. However, if you go armor, she scales stupidly well into late if you keep landing those Qs. Not to mention Poppy has a huge outplay potential, and the most skilled players will destroy with her.

DREADN0UGHT12/11/2015, 12:24:45 AM1 votes

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Possibly a dumb question, but of the 3 roles she can play during laning phase (unless you want to mid poppy for some reason) not one of them does she seem to excel in. In top, she's significantly weaker than the majority of other tops, she seems to play similarly to Darius but without the decent early burst or the pull that keeps enemies from running away. Jungling her clear is fine, but her gank potential is incredibly poor considering how finicky her E is, and it being her only hard CC. Her best role seems to be support due to her ridiculous counter engage and disengage, but without poke, no reliable hard CC, and no sustain, you're usually stuck playing passive.

Is there something i'm missing, or does she still have the problem of pre-rework where there's no definitive role for her? First and foremost the rework was obviously intended to fix how hard she could burst while taking no damage from nearly everything, and they succeeded in doing that, but they haven't seemed to fix any of her other issues.

I found her to be very weak in laning phase in top lane but highly difficult to successfuly gank due to w and E even.

Post lane she seems to be more potent as a back line protector. I tried building her full tank and she is kindaa fun and reliable in the late game.

kasfas12/11/2015, 1:04:55 AM1 votes

Rush IBG, win lane, win game. Except against ap, where you get a spectre's first, then rush IBG. Trust, this wins so many games.

Asayake 5150glow12/11/2015, 1:25:52 AM1 votes

Her Q doesn't seem to cost enough mana or have a long enough cooldown.

Pyrofiend12/11/2015, 3:03:06 AM1 votes

Here's my experience with the old Poppy

Yes, the new Poppy is extremely weak top lane. She gets easily shoved out and/or killed by most meta top laners.

  1. She has no sustain
  2. She has no ranged abilities with which to CS; No, a 15 second auto attack doesn't count.
  3. She has no damage unless you get a wall stun; anybody that's played the old Poppy for more than 5 games knows that those are rare. If you do manage to get one, your opponent will learn to not stand in front of a wall.
  4. Your passive shield being down gives your opponent a 15 second window to win all trades.
  5. She has very little wave clear.

  • Here's an (incomplete) list of champion that crap on Poppy in lane: Chogath Darius DrMundo Fiora Fizz Gnar Irelia Kayle Kennen Malphite Olaf Pantheon Quinn Renekton Rumble Ryze Shyvana Singed Teemo Tryndamere Trundle Vladimir

  • Poppy beats Jax early. However, Jax outscales her pretty hard once they both have 1 item.

  • Poppy can't really shove Nasus out of lane anymore. Since she only does physical damage now, Nasus gets to rush item 3110 and sit pretty getting those stacks.

  • Champions that I'm not completely sure about the matchup yet: Ekko Gangplank Maokai Riven Sion TahmKench Volibear MonkeyKing Yasuo

  • Champions that I'm sure Poppy can beat: Aatrox Shen

Poppy has a decent levels 1 and 2. Anything past that, she loses trades against nearly all champions if:

  1. Her shield is down
  2. She doesn't get the wall stun

THE MOST underrated nerfs to Poppy:

  1. Removal of her magic damage from Q and E. Opponents now can rush armor to neutralize her damage.
  2. Base damage on her E - wall stun nerfed from 425 to 260. To "compensate" she has a 100% bonus AD ratio on it. That's 165 bonus AD that Poppy has to build in order to break even. To put that into perspective, that's item 3078 + item 3508 + item 3031 or item 3074 + item 3072 You can't build these items on Poppy and not expect to get blown up in fights.

Basically what it comes down to is that the removal of her old Passive hurts a lot. The matchups she lost are now even worse for her. There were matchups that old Poppy won JUST because her old passive existed. Examples of that include Tryndamere and DrMundo. Tryndamere couldn't crit her and Mundo cleavers never did full damage. And now she doesn't have those. The new passive does not in any way make up for the loss of her old one.

Bonus: Before her release on the live server, I predicted she would have a low 40s (<42%) win rate. Well after a day and a half with almost 80k games worth of data on her across NA, EUW, and Korean servers, she has a 40% win rate (according to OP.gg).