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Shen jungle nerfs on PBE might hit harder then intended.

Fibien·4/9/2017, 9:14:33 PM·3 votes·788 views
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TL:DR Please keep Q damage to monsters unchanged, waveclear is already a weakness for Shen jungle. The other nerfs to the champs will be hard enough for Shen jungle.

Hi Meddler and other Riot employes. I'm a Shen jungle main that writes to you in hope you read the post and take another thought about the impact of the changes to shen jungle. I understand that you can't reply to all post, or maybe even read all but I would appriciate if you would or even gave some more context about your thought on Shen jungle. The decreased base damage on q will have a large impact on shens jungle clear. At level 1-3 he will loose 10 dmg per hit with q and from level 4-6 the damage will de decreased with 30 dmg per hit. These numbers are including the extra damage that shens q will do the monsters. In the jungle Shen's main clear is from his Q so what may seem like low numbers have a big impact on his early and midgame. These levels are the pre full jungle item and the time when shen get's punished the most by meta junglers that already pre change have a stronger waveclear and in many cases greater gank possibilties.

The need to balance shen top is understandable from a competative perspective. And the change to his ult, most noticable the extended cooldown will hit Shen jungle as well. I would not call Shen jungle oppresive in the current meta but rather a niche pick with pretty bad matchups versus several meta picks. Lee Sin and Kha Zix are to examples. My hope is simply not destroy Shen jungle waveclear is it already was one of his weaknesses against the current meta junglers. He will feel of all the others changes to the champion and it would be a loss if they all combined hit shen jungle so hard that it would be completly unviable. Especially since shen jungle was not the problem to begin with. Neither champion.gg or op.gg even have enough data count him as a jungle option.

My suggested solution is to change the damage to monsters to keep it at the current numbers. He will still feel the other nerfs but at least will be able to survive in the jungle.

Thank you for reading. // Fibien

3 Comments

LyingOnLine4/9/2017, 9:18:17 PM1 votes

They're planning to re-add bonus damage to monsters, not that jungle Shen is played much nowadays.

ScissorsNstuff4/9/2017, 9:19:08 PM1 votes

I imagine that somewhere in the pile of item and stat changes shen will be more than compensated lol

Fibien4/9/2017, 9:29:12 PM1 votes

@LyingOnLine I've seen the bonus damage to monsters. I included that damage in the damage nerfs in the main post. The 10 dmg decrease per hit at level 1-3 and 30 dmg decrease at level 4-6 on Q. My hope is to balance the monster damage so it will change to the live damage values instead of the lowered values on PBE And to the second point, I think it's good to point out the side effects that the balances of toplane Shen does to the off role. I don't see a reason why they should not be able co-exists as options when Riot have taken notice of jungle shen by having extra monster damage on his Q.

@SCISSORNSTUFF My point was to point out the hard nerf on Shen jungle's early game, till he got his full jungle item. With the full jungle item his clear will be fine but with the damage decrease the time to buy it will be extended. Shen's jungle clear and gank opportunties pre 6 are already subpar with meta jungler in live. This will increase his ramp, and take in account that he is not a hyper carry like vayne or fiora, so when he reaches his item powerspike the game might already be decided.